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Porn has fuelled a 400% increase of child on child assaults

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NeurotrashWarrior · 21/06/2019 07:23

A very depressing read.

It's clear to me that access to online things via the Internet, mobile phones and social media is a huge problem for our teens in many ways.

fightthenewdrug.org/how-porn-fuels-child-on-child-sex-attacks/

Interesting that it's the NSPCC that provide the data on this. And valine data it is.

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RuffleCrow · 21/06/2019 17:33

Time to ban it like we ban guns and other dangerous weapons. Our kids do not 'need' 24/7 instant internet access.

MenuPlant · 21/06/2019 17:29

Let's have your stats for the epidemic of female led sexual violence is schools then goosefoot, tia

Goosefoot · 21/06/2019 15:52

Ta, I've read Miranda's blog. I've been concerned that the puberty blockers conversation hasn't paid enough attention to brain development, it makes huge leaps in development during puberty.

I've never heard anyone talk about this outside of MN. It was my first thought when I heard about the whole idea of the blockers. I find it a bizarre gap, do people not realise the changes in the brain that teens go through?

I think people must treat it as a brain body dualism thing.

Goosefoot · 21/06/2019 15:40

I don't have a problem with the child on child headline. I think it was pretty clear in the article that the aggressors were boys, and the point of the headline was to make it clear that these offensives didn't involve adults, it was about the effects of porn on children. And honestly, young girls having inappropriate responses to seeing so much porn happens even if it is much less frequent or aggressive. It's not unheard of at all for girls exposed to inappropriate content or sexual situations to victimise younger or vulnerable kids.

I am not so sure that the parents are so much a factor in terms of teaching kids in a way that would prevent this. I think a lot of the stuff in porn is just so alien to children, in a way much more so that straight violence, and it's so visceral as well. How people conceptualise what consent really means depends a lot on what they think sex looks like, people who have experienced a lot of sex in a questionable context sometimes agree with the idea of consent, but fail when it comes down to actual situations because the way they read the situation is completely bizarre but seems normal to them. It's part of the reason normalising dangerous practices is so dangerous.

Kids just don't have the experience or ability to think through what they see rationally enough to mitigate the potential effect of seeing a lot of rough fake sex onscreen.

I think in the next few years there will be more and more evidence that young people should be avoiding online exposure of any kind, and that will be the way forward with regard to porn as well.

MenuPlant · 21/06/2019 15:10

'. I only ever get straight ‘romantic’ porn recommended with kissing'

Hahaha haha

Front page of any mainstream porn site is 82trillion miles from this! I mean that's hilarious. Romantic het porn with kissing (!) is probably a serious niche kink tbh.

Intetesting that male gay porn is so different in feeling, its because its more between equals as a starting point, whereas het porn is about male dominance, as a starting point. Her porn is much more violent in feel, not really related to pleasure or any kind of mutuality, which is much more the starting point in gay porn.

placemats · 21/06/2019 13:25

To be clear here, no way would a bag containing the clothing that Boy A had in a bag have gotten under my radar. Not a chance, not at 13. I made it very clear to my teenagers that I did room inspections and if it was a mess I would personally clear it up.

QuentinWinters · 21/06/2019 13:15

So clearly the woman who did the research has a pretty shady search history already nice try at discrediting the author. Shame it's obvious horseshit

MarDhea · 21/06/2019 13:11

Boy B, I mean

MarDhea · 21/06/2019 13:10

True, the father of Boy A appears to be a knob.

placemats · 21/06/2019 13:09

also feel for the parents and siblings of the boys In question.

I don't. The father of Boy B, who lured Ana to her death, witnessed it, and then told lie after lie, sarcastically clapped post the verdict and cried out that his son was innocent.

placemats · 21/06/2019 13:07

Porn Hub tailors searches via it’s algorithms and recommends different things at the top of the list depending on prior viewing history. There are also various age verification checks on the site. So clearly the woman who did the research has a pretty shady search history already. I only ever get straight ‘romantic’ porn recommended with kissing etc.

That is, simply put, not true. Not on Porn hub. It's a business that is more profitable than all of Hollywood and Independent Films and the Franchises put together. It's not regulated either. YouTube, Facebook and Instagram will try to regulate but they only remove the content and once seen it is never unseen.

Woman breastfeeding on Facebook has an instant ban.

Violent kink images? Fair game.

MarDhea · 21/06/2019 13:06

If anyone wants to read up on the two boys found guilty of Ana Kriegel's murder (one guilty of aggravated sexual assault), there is an excellent article by Cormac Gallagher in the Irish Times.

I feel for Ana's parents most of all, but also feel for the parents and siblings of the boys In question. Imagine knowing your child or brother had done that, and knowing that everyone in the local area knows it too. So many lives destroyed by a selfish desire to act out a violent porn-fuelled fantasy Sad

Annasgirl · 21/06/2019 12:58

Well as usual if it is adult male enjoyment versus child protection, its a slam dunk for the men.

Sunkisses · 21/06/2019 12:55

Yet, just yesterday the govt delayed age-verification for online porn for the third time after lobbying by the porn industry. They are prioritising adult male's shame, embarrassment and desire to hide their habits above safeguarding and safety of children.
news.sky.com/story/government-under-pressure-to-delay-launch-of-porn-restriction-scheme-for-third-time-11745105

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/06/2019 12:49

Sun I shall have a look later and pm you. It may be out of your area. I think they set up a company after being a part of the LEA for a long time.

Random paper on impact of exercise on teen brain, not the one I'm thinking of but interesting.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973814/

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ThatDoctorEM · 21/06/2019 12:47

Ta, I've read Miranda's blog. I've been concerned that the puberty blockers conversation hasn't paid enough attention to brain development, it makes huge leaps in development during puberty.

Sunkisses · 21/06/2019 12:47

@NeurotrashWarrior - huge thanks for this post. I am SO freaked out about the easy access of violent and misogynistic online porn - available to any kid with a smartphone. As Gail Dines of Culture Reframed says, it is the "public health issue of our time" - yet most parents are oblivious. Could you give the name and website of the decent IT consultant who does good safeguarding talks for schools? I had one at my kid's primary school and the guy was AWFUL, like a paid up promotor of the gaming / social media industry. Saying we were all fuddy-duddies for not getting with it and allowing all our kids online all the time, and brushing aside my concerns about online porn.

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/06/2019 12:44

Yes it was the hippocampus.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306453016305595

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ThatDoctorEM · 21/06/2019 12:42

Cool, thank you I will have a look around.

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/06/2019 12:42

mirandayardley.com/en/the-science-of-gender-what-influences-gender-development-and-gender-dysphoria/

Lots here on adolescent brain development.

I'm going to double check what I said about hormone blockers impacting hippocampus.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 21/06/2019 12:39

Lol. Erm. I'm absolutely no expert but I do read bits here and there.

That was on quizlet. I think it's revision cards for what various parts of the brain do. Very basic.

I'm often interested in the brain (eg Dr sacks) and what parts do as there are various areas of the brain affected by autism. Many of my various bits of training for teaching children with autism has includes bits on this.

I know when I suffered from anxiety and panic attacks, the book I was prescribed by a counsellor talked about the way the amygdala affects / drives anxiety and ptsd.

Ruby Wax has looked at a lot of that in terms of long term depression and mindfulness, physically reducing the amygdala.

To me it's all obviously linked.

I know the thread here about the Tavistock a while ago had links to the sheep study (that's on Miranda Y's blog) and I put a study on that that looked at helping teens with exercise and impact on hippocampus.

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ThatDoctorEM · 21/06/2019 12:30

Neurotrash do you have any recommendations for reading? Your post was fascinating and I've learnt from it.

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/06/2019 12:30

Ah cross post dr em! Thank you so much for the link.

I don't want to read it again but your research had a profound impact on my views of porn.

Finding bits of a dirty magazine in the park as a child definitely affected me.

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ThatDoctorEM · 21/06/2019 12:27

I totally and utterly disagree with you Teddy. The evidence totally and utterly disagrees with you Teddy.

Also, how wonderful you presume to know academics and private researchers methodologies.

There are no age verification checks on Pornhub - only when one clicks on advertised external sites. You are speaking hooey to try and justify your wanking to the abuse and degradation of women, your consumption of paid rape.

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/06/2019 12:27

teddy without the study to hand I can't comment but I don't believe she did it like that. Also believe she looked at titles as a part of the research.

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