Help me peaktrans DH

The same numbers quoted there could also headline:

transwoman commit crimes at a lower rate than woman

Couldn’t you?

Sure, for starters when you click onto FPFW’s website to view this page (I went back to check Incase they amended the way they showed it since I last looked) it says this in bold font:

Half of all transgender prisoners are sex offenders or dangerous category A inmates

This is to deliberately mislead you. The truth is that there are 60 transgender inmates in prison for sex offences or needing max security. This is the only fact they have.
This is out of 125 inmates who had a consultation on their trans status, who were therefore serving a longer prison sentence and excludes what the majority of crimes are for (shoplifting, things like that)
A huge majority of prisoners serve under 4 years.

I could use the same statistic and say:

Only 0.009% of self identified transwoman are sex offenders

660k trans people in the UK (based on 1% of the population, although I think this is actually higher now in which case it would be less) only 60 in prison for sexual or significant crimes. This is 0.009%.

Do you see the point in making? That statistics can show whatever you want them to show if you’re bias.

I think most people have a hard time seeing an issue until it affects them. Lots of women have no real sense about the effects of pregnancy and mothering on women's lives until they are in that place themselves. It's not peculiar to men.
I assume women are similarly insulated to many issues that affect men.

Magdalen Bern's videos are brilliant for this. The stonewall one in particular. She's funny and thorough.

Yes I’d also like to see some evidence on these skewed statistics .

Most of FPFW’s statistics are skewed, Particularly the statistics relating to prisoners.

This is not true.

If EarlyWalker has specific evidence of this then it would be a useful contribution to reasoned discussion. If however EarlyWalker doesn't have specific evidence, its somewhat disingenous/goady to cast spurious allegations (in my opinion)

James Kirkup (Spectator) has written a series of excellent, evidence based articles.
There are many threads on here discussing them

Its worth advance searching & sharing them.

(I think The Spectator has an offer on at the moment for a limited time so they can be accessed)

Men seem to live very insulated lives, so many things can be ignored until something happens to make it personal and therefore meaningful.
If they can't empathise with their own wives and daughters is there any point trying to engage?

For my DH it was trans women in women’s sports (being a fan of all sports).
He was very much of the “oh that’ll never happen” mindset, so I showed him that actually it is happening as we speak.
He was shocked, and it opened up the conversation about everything else.
He was flabbergasted and completely peak transed.

The thing with the news sources, it's hard for people because a lot of them have been trained for years to see those as the reliable sources. My mother is like this to some extent with the CBC, even though she has become disenchanted with them in many ways. But she can't quite believe that they are suppressing information to the extent they do, like in the women's sport issue.

"he only looks at the Guardian and the BBC" - there's your problem right there.

It clicked properly for DP when one of his fb friends transitioned displaying their obvious AGP.

Ricky Gervais stand up cemented it.

I peak transed a long time ago but did it all over again when I listened to Woman's Hour and heard women footballers talking about how hard it had been for them to get anywhere. I felt almost violent at the thought of a guy coming along and saying he was now a woman and wanted to be in their team.

Let him come to his own conclusions.

Anyone with any sense sees through it all, I don't know anyone who buys this shit (well, I have one acquaintance who does but she is generally very woke.)

One thing is I wouldn't push it too much. Even people who are pretty laid back and generally sympathetic can just get tired of someone pushing an idea on them all the time. It starts to feel like nagging or bullying because you can't really put your spouse on ignore, or at least you shouldn't.
I find this hard, because I want to talk about it a lot, and while my husband is pretty much in agreement he's not as interested.

As far as what might do it for him, this seems to depend on people's personalities. For some people its really when it connects with them emotionally. For others it's more about realising some kind of reasoning or factual contradiction. That story about the baby who died because of confusion at the ER really upset my husband, for me it was the academic control elements that got me into reading more and more, and then seeing the real lack of medical/scientific backing, and especially the way disagreement in the medical community was shut down by activists. The Toronto clinic in particular really was a turning point in my thinking.

I would think about your husband, the kinds of things that are important to him. If he is really interested in accurate statistics, the question of data collection might bother him. Don't expect it to be an all at once turn around though. It takes time.

Most of FPFW’s statistics are skewed, Particularly the statistics relating to prisoners.

For me, I have always been of similar opinion to your DH although the issue that I find really difficult in my mind is sport, so it’s worth discussing that and going from there to see where he stands on it if it means so much to you.

Sitting down in front of the TV an add comes on featuring a stunning bearded lady.
DH: What the fuck is that?.

Your family sound pleasant. Do you always get joy out of mocking someone’s appearance or is it exclusively saved for those you assume are trans?

The thing about the BBC is once you see how reporting works, you can't unsee it.

It doesn't have to be about GC issues, it could be about another issue that is close to his heart. I had a junior doctor once raging about how the mainstream press were reporting the junior doctors strike and a lightbulb went off in his head 'do you think they report every issue like this?' When I said 'Yes, yes they do' he was utterly depressed initially but it transformed him politically.

So for your DH - does he think the BBC reports everything accurately on say Brexit? Or universities? I'd guess not - so why does he think they do on everything else.

Ask him if he regards transwomen who retain male parts as genuine candidates for a straight sexual relationship with him (assuming he’s a straight man). If no - point out that he does therefore have boundaries on who he regards as a woman and just sets them where they are convenient for him rather than you / other women ?

The BBC has an agenda, as does the guardian. Of course anyone can get their news where they want to but it might peak him to read the diversity report from the BBC.

The BBC hasn't been unbiased for a long time and it took me a while to realise this as I ex-employee I have always been a supporter of the BBC.

Subscribe him to the Times and send him links to all the articles when they come out. It is just a fraction of what is coming out and the major concerns, but it is a reputable source

I went on and on and on to my DH. Undermining his faith in the Guardian was very important - managing to get across that the Guardian in general is not a feminist newspaper, that there is conflict within the Guardian itself - the point where someone tweeted 'the Spectator is more feminist than we are!' was important.

Got him reading other papers and seeing you have to triangulate your news sources.

Of course it did help that my contact with trans people has been diverse to say the least - two utterly fabulous colleagues, one MTF and one FTM who are amazing people, then MTF trans prisoners.

But really I got him using the evidence of his own eyes - people are so quick to ignore that in favour of what we are told or a wish to be polite and not make a scene.

What does he think about Karen White?

Does he think that women prisoners are sub humans who deserve to be locked up with a convicted Male rapist ?

Even teen DS understood the issue when we talked about the academic cyclist.

If his mother is alive discuss how any bloke saying they feel like a woman could become her intimate carer in the NHS or a home or even alone in her own home whether she is comfortable with that or not.

This photo sums it up in terms of elbowing your DD out of opportunities/internships etc
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