Teacher filmed incident in Mail with comments from here...

Sorry, secretly filmed and posted on social media

I would strongly suspect that any video of a teacher secretly filmed would result in the suspension of the pupil. I can’t imagine how this wouldn’t be the case.

2BoysandaCairn

So you think a child should be suspended for filming a teacher punishing him for not agreeing to the denial of biology, and people should be suspended for filming a female teacher 'upskirt', and, presumably, also suspended for filming a headteacher sexually harassing a subordinate? Or A teacher hitting a child? Or bullying a child, or intimidating a child?

Sticking uncritically to the rules means that you will ignore morality and ethics. Well done.

But of course on this section GC is always above the law/rules
Those are just for the rest of use and those "evil" transmen and women
Hypocrites

Women only have the vote because people were brave enough to break the rules.
It’s a shame you’re calling others hypocrites, while you’re enjoying the freedom earned off the back of these rule breakers.

There is no such clause for filming in my children's secondary school behaviour policies, 2boys - I've just looked it up. Nothing about phones or filming, I've searched the whole document.

You know very well that he wasn't just suspended for filming - but for not toeing the "inclusive" line (oh, the irony!), or backing down when told to.

We have a right to know what pseudoscience about gender is being taught in our children's schools in the name of inclusion.

Presumably you'd want to know if, say, a religious group going into schools to tell kids the earth is flat, or that being gay is a sin.

I said on the other thread, he is luckily to still be at the school. All our local schools ban secret filming on their premises.
Of lessons/teachers/fellow students.
All parents/students sign a contract.
It states any student beleive to have secretly filmed will be suspended immediately if proven the school will look to expel the student(s)

So I totally back GivenncyDahhing
You cant have one rule for GC feminists and their 17 year old cheerleaders and another for students filming Miss boobs or arse, or the kid who films the toilets or a fight or bullying.

One rule for all.
He should have taken punishment, gone home and told his parents, who then raise with HoY/head teacher. Not filmed it and stuck on the internet.

That what every child/parent is told. It is on all MN threads too.

But of course on this section GC is always above the law/rules.
Those are just for the rest of use and those "evil" transmen and women.
Hypocrites.

Biological determinism is on the national curriculum for secondary schools. You can’t teach that at 1pm and then teach the opposite at 2. It’s a nonsense. We are at a point with all this were schools are able to add in teaching that conflicts with national curriculum. I think anything over and above the curriculum should have to be somehow signed off by the DFE so schools can’t get away with teaching non science and science, belief as belief and creationism. I wonder if there is any secondary school stipulation to funding from DFE relating to teaching actual fact based science as opposed to this.

I’m glad he filmed it, because he’d already been dismissed as a ‘troublemaker’ by someone who hadn’t seen the video.
I’m guessing if there was no video it would be his word against the teacher, and we know how that goes.
Sometimes you need to break the rules, we wouldn’t have the freedoms we do today if people hadn’t broke the ‘rules’ and fought for them.

Three weeks off for critical thinking?!?

Isn’t it terrible when kids know the difference between scientific fact and fantasy and expect to be taught fact and not indoctrinated in what they know to be fiction. The kid has been suspended for three weeks for stating biological fact. Absolutely disgusting.

Itsallgoingtobefine not sure why you quoted me?

Because the statement from the council makes it sound like the more serious transgression was knowing there are two sexes. So yes, suspended because of his knowledge.

I hope the young man knows he has plenty of support for his belief that he has a right to state scientific truth.

It would be better if he unlearned some of his learning and distinguished between sex and gender, but language has been obfuscated in that regard.

“According to an education source, the boy was suspended for breaching school policy by secretly filming the teacher.”

Yeah, yeah......

Itsallgoingtobefine not sure why you quoted me?
It’s the last couple of weeks of term, I doubt he’ll be missing much at school tbh. I’m glad he has exposed this though I’m not sure if what happens next will be a positive.

Well I think it's disgusting that he's been suspended. He's the same age as my DS, who is doing critical work for his A levels at the moment.

Three weeks is unusually harsh.

Well I’m guessing he’s suspended because of the filming not his opinion.

An Aberdeenshire Council spokesman said the public sector has a legal duty to show ‘due regard’ to certain ‘protected characteristics’ – including age, sex and ‘gender reassignment’.

He added: ‘It is important to understand the context of any video clip taken without a person’s consent. In our schools, fostering good relations among different groups can be a real challenge but our aim is to support a fairer, inclusive environment for all.’

Well I’m guessing he’s suspended because of the filming not his opinion.

Teenager, 17, suspended from school for insisting there are 'only two genders' reveals he spoke out in protest at 'dangerous views being forced on pupils‘

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7171195/Teenager-17-insisted-two-genders-suspended-school.html

Teacher tries to brainwash students with lies.
One student challenges the lies and is thrown out of class.
It then escalates with the teacher engaged in a one to one with the student, showing the teacher rapidly losing self control, whilst still trying to force the student to believe in lies.
Good job the student had the presence of mind to film this, or we would be doubting his side of the story.

But is the teacher not also wrong on his own terms? I wasn’t aware that Gender recognition went beyond male or female? So there are two sexes and two possible genders, so someone whose sex is female can take on male gender identity in law and vice versa, but surely identifying as genderqueer or genderfluid or any other gender identity is not enshrined in law, but the teacher seems to be stating that a range of genders are supported in law…So even if the premise that there are many genders is accepted the facts about these are still incorrect. Or am I missing something here?

As a teacher you are an agent of the state essentially and thus should be open to scrutiny. There is a public interest dimension to this in the same way as if a police officer were to abuse his/her office.

Education should be about teaching children how to think and not what to think. I appreciate you are put under a lot of pressure to meet targets and I have every sympathy, but the net result of that pressure of league tables, box ticking and ofstead inspections means teachers are given less and less freedom to do their jobs well, and to produce a conveyer belt of students with the right opinions.

People are flabbergasted how we have marched into this bizzaro world where truth and objective reality are being suffocated. This is why.

“he did not have any knowledge of the case, but added: 'This sounds like a youngster looking for trouble.'”

If he has no knowledge of the case he should surely STFU until he does, rather than jump to conclusions about a young person.

And there needs to be a distinction between what actually happened in the interchange, and the act of putting it online.

I can see that filming it and putting it online is an issue, and a serious one. But especially given the attitudes towards young people and their testimony ( see above.....) how else can we know what is going on?

This ‘how many fingers am I holding up?’ Regime is approaching intellectual abuse. It is gaslighting. It is the denial of evidence and reason. It has no place in education.

We need to find a way to be respectful and inclusive of all young people, especially those grappling with things that do still attract discrimination and disdain, without resorting to cult-like brainwashing of science.

This really should not be beyond the capability of teachers, lawmakers, policy makers if they just focus on the job and block out the noise.

Ah, I didn't have that context. I'd wondered if it cropped up as a side issue in a separate subject, or as part of the annual run through of school values.

If the teacher actually chose to bring that up as part of accessing a website, then he needs to have had a blooming strong position to defend. Which he didn't, obviously.

That said, if he's drunk the cool aid because his son is now called Sally then I may still have some sympathy. But he's ignorant.

Teachers all too often fall for sharing their own hobby horse opinion while not being prepared to tolerate others.

if I was filmed arguing from the other way around I would feel extremely vulnerable so I cannot condone this
This. And seems more likely to happen, tbh.

@picklemepopcorn If you read the previous thread the background is that the boy was in a PHSE lesson and, according to him, the teacher was showing the class how to access a particular website.

The website required registration and the teacher spent some time explaining how bad it was that there were only two options for gender given on the registration form.

(This shows the problem with conflating gender and sex)

At this point the boy stated the position that there are only two genders and, at some point, was told to leave the classroom. About 30 mins later, again according to the boy, the teacher came out of the lesson and what we see in the video happened.

If they were teaching Intelligent Design or the world was flat or Copernicus was wrong (I.e. a scientifically proven lie) you wouldn't blink about a kid calling them out. I don't see any difference here. A lie is a lie. Why is this an exception?