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Wizbetisanizbet · 20/06/2019 07:33

Why this is transphobic? I believe that it was written by a transsexual person and seems quite sensible to me. The TRA's are kicking off on Twitter over it calling it Transphobic.

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RHTawneyonabus · 20/06/2019 07:54

As a woman I would kick off big time if I was told that being ‘modest and polite’ was the answer to violence and personal attacks (we’ve been told that for centuries and it’s bloody unacceptable) I understand why a trans person would find this unacceptable too.

MrsBertBibby · 20/06/2019 07:52

It conflates transphobia (which is real and horrific) with reasoned argument, and that makes it sound very "victim blaming".

It is the fault of individuals like McKinnon, Oger, etc, that they are criticised and disliked by feminists. It's their entire raison d'etre. It is absolutely not the fault of any trans or non conforming person of any kind when they are violently attacked or discriminated against.

DoYouRememberTheInnMiranda · 20/06/2019 07:48

Entirely agree with Beingnices' post above me.

The aggressive TRA movement tends to distract us from remembering the very real transphobia / homophobia / misogyny that gender non conforming people of all descriptions can face. (whether they see themselves as trans or not). This will not be dealt with by trans people being more respectful and considerate etc.

Beingnicetomyself · 20/06/2019 07:44

(I'm also very uncomfortable with the change starts with you paragraph. Women (trans or otherwise) can look like, walk and talk how they bloody well like)

DoYouRememberTheInnMiranda · 20/06/2019 07:44

The middle "tip" appears to blame most transphobia on the behaviour of the trans individuals - if you are trans and have experienced discrimination (which surely must happen to individuals who don't ever demand access to female only space) then to have it all blamed on you and your approach is horrible.

As GC people we should defend men's rights to wear make up and dresses peacefully (without going into the ladies') - this reads as if any discrimination is due to them not passing well enough. They shouldn't have to pass to be left alone, peacefully, without abusive comments etc.

Beingnicetomyself · 20/06/2019 07:41

While I agree with a lot of what is said in the content, having it under the banner of "5 steps to eradicate transphobia" is hugely victim blaming. Yes, TRAs should be respectful of feminist viewpoints etc and many things would improve if they all were, but that is NOT going to "eradicate" violent transphobic attacks (usually carried out by men who have zero concept of feminist issues around transactivism).

SarahTancredi · 20/06/2019 07:36

Maybe because playing the victim is part of the requirements and without it they would have nothing to moan about.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 20/06/2019 07:34

That’s brilliant

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