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What are the top three issues that feminists should unite to conquer?

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ControversialFerret · 18/06/2019 19:28

Asking for genuine thoughts and feedback. Disclaimer - not a journo but this is linked to some work I'm doing in the background on a voluntary basis. I'm not sharing further details (for obvious reasons!) but if anyone has concerns or questions, please PM me.

Feminism is so fragmented in terms of grass roots organisation - group A disagrees with group B and so on. However we know there will always be differences of opinion in activism and causes.

But if you had the chance to unify every feminist (and ally) in the UK behind three key causes/topics, what would they be and why?

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IfNotNowThenWhen1 · 23/06/2019 17:32

Mothers wouldn't have to choose if fathers stepped up and did their share!

Mine would be

  1. End religious oppression of women so they have freedom to choose their lives and take control of their fertility, wether in Afghanistan or Alabama. 2)Enable women to access viable ways of making a good living. 3)Change the assumption that men can opt out of their fathering responsibilities and the assumption that women come second in every way.
Coyoacan · 23/06/2019 15:01
  1. A benefit system that looks after single parents properly. I was a single mother in Ireland, where there were good benefits for single parents at the time, and met older women who had been unable to leave abusive partners because such benefits hadn't existed in their time.
  2. Legally enforced shorter working hours. When working hours are so unnecessarily long, mothers tend to opt for lower paying jobs or women find themselves having to choose between having children or continuing in the job they love.
WonderingHowToChangeThis · 23/06/2019 12:44

Have to agree with Barracker's earlier post.

Unless we can identify, irrefutably, what a 'woman's is, none of these issues will be seen to affect either a) women as a class or b) solely women and will, therefore, not be regarded as feminist/women's issues.

ControversialFerret · 22/06/2019 14:38

the elevation of the role of the mother in gestating, birthing, feeding and raising healthy children.

What about women who want to return to work after having a baby?

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Taswama · 22/06/2019 07:47

I don’t want to be ‘revered’ thank you very much Sunkisses ! Unless you mean being paid a basic income if you have kids so you can choose to outsource if you want to, which might be a solution.

AnotherEmma · 22/06/2019 07:43
  1. Eradicate violence against women and girls (including domestic abuse, rape and sexual abuse).
  2. Give women free, safe and legal access to abortion and provide better healthcare for women's health issues (perinatal care and gynaecological health).
  3. Protect the rights and spaces of biological females.

If I could add a 4th it would be equal representation for women in politics - I think it would make all our feminist goals easier to achieve.

BroomstickOfLove · 22/06/2019 07:39

In the UK:
Abortion rights in Northern Ireland
Unfair domestic load
Changing the cultural attitude and legal process for tape and intimate partner violence.

LoeweMulberry · 22/06/2019 07:28

Ofgs that is riduculous.
Free childcare wont tear any mother away from her child but it will mean mothers have the same freedoms to work. Childcare falls more to mothers. Motherhood costs women more than fatherhood costs men. Women forced out of the workplace because of this. Inequality mushrooms out of that.
Women need money.
Perpetuating society where women dependent on a man is the mistake.

Sunkisses · 22/06/2019 06:02

I think arguing for free childcare is a massive mistake for any feminist movement. This will seriously harm children who should be raised within loving families. Are we really arguing for our children to be raised by strangers so we can prioritise working?! The problem isn't that women cannot out source their children to someone else cheaply and often enough. The problem is that a mother's role in childcare isn't valued enough. We should be revered!

So my feminist priority would be:

  • the elevation of the role of the mother in gestating, birthing, feeding and raising healthy children.
extrastrongnosugar · 22/06/2019 05:13

The fact that women shoulder 90% of the burden of reproduction and child care

ControversialFerret · 20/06/2019 21:30

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'd say that attempting to fix the image problem that puts off over 90% of UK females is key.

Funnily enough I was having a similar conversation with a feminist group last week. And I agree with you, I think it's something that needs to be addressed. We've been thinking about possible answers and still haven't reached agreement!!

Unbiased health care for women I. E. You need to take my 4th degree tear seriously please. If I was a bloke and my cock was dropping off I'd have surgery within a week

Sadly so true. I'm genuinely staggered and dismayed by the attitude of the NHS (in general) towards women's birth trauma and injuries. I'm reminded of this every time I see a Tena Lady advert.

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managedmis · 19/06/2019 21:23

Free childcare, if not from birth, from a very young age

End of pornography (this is never gonna happen)

Unbiased health care for women I. E. You need to take my 4th degree tear seriously please. If I was a bloke and my cock was dropping off I'd have surgery within a week

Grasspigeons · 19/06/2019 21:22

i'd go with bodily autonomy; valuing traditional female roles properly and something around changing workplace norms to be more family friendly

BjornAgain81 · 19/06/2019 21:13

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'd say that attempting to fix the image problem that puts off over 90% of UK females is key.

I'm not sure how this could realistically be done but I've seen so many 'feminists' whose mission objective seems to be nothing more than moaning about men, which sabotages the hard work of others and turns off the vast majority of women who actually like men.

stumbledin · 19/06/2019 20:30

oh dear I just copied these from a web site and now see there is a major error (and this is meant to be an historical reference site!!!).

The women's liberation movement asserts a woman's right to define her own sexuality, and demands:

Equal pay for equal work
Equal education and job oportunities
Free contraception and abortion on demand
Free 24-hour community-controlled childcare
Legal and financial independence for women
An end to discrimination against lesbians
Freedom for all women from intimidation by the threat or use of male violence. An end to the laws, assumptions and institutions which perpetuate male dominance and men's agression towards women
stumbledin · 19/06/2019 20:27

First of all worth remembering that feminist is the middle of the road equality objective of patriarchal society. ie it is about encouraging women to aspire to be like men. This is why the media promotes feminism.

That is why women's grass roots activism of 1970's was called women's liberation. It was not only about "equality" but challenging the norms and supposed standards that men have set.

Just as a point of reference, here are the demands of what was the women's liberation movement.

The women's liberation movement asserts a woman's right to define her own sexuality, and demands:

Equal pay for equal work
Equal education and job oportunities
Free contraception
Free 24-hour community-controlled childcare
Legal and financial independence for women
An end to discrimination against lesbians
Freedom for all women from intimidation by the threat or use of male violence. An end to the laws, assumptions and institutions which perpetuate male dominance and men's agression towards women
Amalfimamma · 19/06/2019 20:11

ControversialFerret

I 100% agree.

The problem I'm highlighting (very badly obviously 😂) is supposed gender critical women centering men who claim to be feminist leaders. The same man who ignores women and tells us to be nice to tw

ControversialFerret · 19/06/2019 19:37

Amalfimamma yes, it doesn't tend to be well received. But then woke dudebros and their enablers are more than happy to be on the 'right side of history' as long as it doesn't mean asking awkward questions of themselves, or holding unpopular opinions that run contrary to the fashionable cause du jour.

I find an increasing number of people who think that being an ally means nothing more than sticking a rainbow lanyard on, or wearing a t-shirt that says 'this is what a feminist looks like', or dishing out some abuse on twitter.

I had a particularly enlightening debate with a woman in her early 20s who told me I was a fat old bigot. I pointed out that I'd been marching at pride, campaigning for age of consent equality and the repeal of section 28 when she was still in primary school. And asked her to think about why someone almost twice her age who has years of campaigning and activism behind them, feels this way. No response - she looked genuinely baffled.

I left her after asking her to have a really good think about what was being said, and to go and do her own independent research before coming to a conclusion. Plus a little pointer that ageism is rather unpleasant - she had the good grace to blush.

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Amalfimamma · 19/06/2019 19:06

Men cannot be feminists. They can be allies, but you can't be a member of a collective fighting against oppression, when you are also a member of that oppressing class.

Tell that to the men claiming to be "feminist leaders" and sticking drawings of themselves as white knights with thhw feminist symbol in their shield......

Tell that to the women who center men and what men say over what women say. There is a thread here on the board all about "allies" and their boundaries

Taswama · 19/06/2019 19:05

Universal highly subsidised childcare that is not just available Mon-Fri, 9-5.
Child maintenance to be treated as any other govt debt (unpaid taxes etc).
Quotas for boards

Ereshkigal · 19/06/2019 18:58

No matter what else is on this thread, none of the women-centred causes will be possible to invoke, without a recognition of female to base them upon.

Absolutely agree with Barracker. This is fundamental.

ControversialFerret · 19/06/2019 18:46

Bumping for the evening crowd Smile

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TheInebriati · 19/06/2019 17:12

Everything Barracker said, plus the adoption of the declaration of womens rights - that would mean an end to male authoritarianism, supremacy, abuse and violence
womensdeclaration.com/declaration-womens-sex-based-rights-full-text/

twicemummy1 · 19/06/2019 17:10

Imagine if we ended poverty for women. No more prostitution or porn. No commercial surrogacy. No having to stay in abusive marriages. It would change everything

wheresmymojo · 19/06/2019 17:02

Payment of child maintenance should be properly enforced in the courts.

Look how aggressively the payment of council parking fines is enforced and compare that to child maintenance Hmm

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