SCOTTISH GRA REFORM ANNOUNCEMENT BROUGHT FORWARD

This nasty piece of work has been relentless. Vile person is actually advising the Scottish Government so she has ears in high places so to speak. She’s currently got Joan McAlpine in her misogynistic crosshairs 🤬

So much wailing and gnashing on Twitter aimed at those of us in Scotland who actively promoted email templates etc in the run up to this. It’s exhausting. The worst culprits are men 🤔. Bearded so called cis men who are hugely invested in this. Everyone shouting about transphobia, nobody smart enough to ( or wanting to ) see that this clashed with the EA. Scotland couldn’t ride rough shod over uk law even if it wanted to! It’s like facts don’t exist anymore.

"sorry that this parliament very recently was used as a platform for transphobic hatred and bigotry"

Transphobic hatred and bigotry = carrying out impact assessments. And thinking about the girls being excluded from single sex spaces when males are included there.

It's that blatant now. Considering anyone else and their needs is 'transphobic hatred'. Great look for an MSP, really. Good luck getting that to fly with the general public. The article nails it.

GC Women's position: TRA lobby has some points, trans people need safety and provision and to present anyway they wish without discrimination, but this isn't the way to do it as it trashes women's rights. More thought and other options needed than just handing over women's rights.

Trans lobby position: you may not consider the impact on anyone else, at all, you may not even discuss it, we don't give a fuck for anyone else's needs or interests. Hand over women's rights and shut up, nothing else will do.

If they consult properly then it's going to throw up endless conundrums that are going to be virtually impossible to legislate for in a reasonable and measured way whilst still keeping the trans lobby happy and upholding the mythical notion that people can change sex.

The fine detail will cause a lot of hold ups if they really intend to proceed with care.

Is there really a chance it won’t go through as the spectator suggests?

It'll be incredibly tight if it does. Assuming they follow the process properly, and people are watching now, all of the issues brought up in the original consultation will need to be resolved. And they can't be.

It is possible ScotGov will just try to shove it through for woke points, but now that it is out in the open they might find it difficult...

Harvie hates women so I expected nothing less from him.

He’s also a list MSP. (I really find the whole list MSP thing a total abomination but that’s for another debate)

Is there really a chance it won’t go through as the spectator suggests?

Despite Scottish Government assurances that there is still time to pass a Bill, this parliament has less than two years left and, if Nicola Sturgeon is to be believed, will be holding a second independence referendum next year. The odds on GRA reform not making it to the finishing line are healthy but its opponents have sketched out practical ways of improving trans people’s lives in the meantime. Those interested in more than a culture war should take them up on it.

"Reinforcements came in the form of Canadian feminist Meghan Murphy and British activist Julie Bindel, the Thelma and Louise of terfdom in the eyes of the trans movement".

Ha.

At Edinburgh Pride, as part of his speech Harvie said he was "sorry that this parliament very recently was used as a platform for transphobic hatred and bigotry".

Wanker.

Also this

What is clear is that, while the Scottish Government has provided an object lesson in how not to manage major policy change, gender-critical feminists have set a gold standard in how to challenge such a change

That’s a great Spectator article.

That's a good article in The Spectator. Nice to see someone other than James Kirkup expressing a reasoned opinion (not that James hasn't be great - just good that other voices are speaking out).

I liked this

The Scottish Government’s volte-face is all the more remarkable since it has come about not thanks to a powerful or well-funded lobby but from a loose network of women causing enough trouble to get themselves listened to.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/holyroods-trans-rights-pause-is-a-good-thing/

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/guidance-to-schools-on-trans-id-altered-w0hfr7djx?shareToken=a6b4c0bacbd0eea67c67bfc10e6d5efb

TWAW is what has got us here.

And the 'misgendering' is 'literal violence', ie. it's equivocal for men to punch women for misgendering as it s for women to 'misgender' - ie. correctly gender men.

This is male violence against women - this is men encroaching on women's spaces, women's rights, the whole thing is an assault against women.

Women's rights are for women, not men. Women's rights are for people who are born female. GRA makes a mockery of this.

Strongly agree that it's time to stop firefighting and start pushing back. They've been 10 steps ahead at every move so far, we need to take back the power somehow.

Also, the impact assessment, we need to make sure that this is done from the position that TWAM.

"is it safe to let men who identify as women in women's shelter?"
NO. Easy.

But if you start from the view that TWAW then there is no conflict.

"is it safe to let women who are trans in women's shelter?"
Yes, they remain single sex
Yes, we wouldn't exclude any other women

Even if you say "no because they still look male/ are male bodied" you'll get "but but but how do you know? What does a man/woman look like? You're just stereotyping. Are you going to exclude butch women too if they look too masculine?"

Remember Janet from the select committee, how she said that some of the survivors at her shelter had been upset by the inclusion of a "male presenting" TW and she gave that stupid tinkly laugh and said "what does that even mean, there's no right way to look like a woman". It was so disingenuous, it really boiled my piss. And that TW convict who was almost moved back to the male estate for being "male presenting" and argued around it based on the fact that they couldn't prescribe how a woman was supposed to look. If you start from the premise that TWAW then there is no conflict with inclusion in female spaces, and no prescriptions that can be made on behaviour or appearance (within the law).

DonkeySkin please don't for a moment imagine I am settling for crumbs.

Shifting the overton window is absolutely necessary but on its own it's not enough.

We also have to make things better now for women and girls who need female only services today. Their crises cannot wait for us to shift the window and hammer out long term solutions. I will support any tweaks to the law that secure better rights for women and girls now, provided that they don't make things worse.

I will also continue to campaign for the repeal of bullshit nonsensical laws that make a mockery of sex, the meanings of woman and female, and all of our rights.

We need to do both.

'living as a woman' just involves switching your pronouns?

Ergo anyone who chooses to be called 'she' has open access to all women's spaces?

Insane.

Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrronouns, innit?

She has called herself a she and therefore she must be a she.

It's the magic word.

What exactly is 'female language' to describe oneself?

The Scottish Government have produced draft guidance for the implementation of the Gender Representation on Public Boards Act, in which they have had a go at clarifying just how one "lives as a woman".

They have quite sensibly tried to sidestep the whole stereotypes argument and instead plumped for: change your gas bill to Ms and get your mates to call you 'she'.

JY wants to show 10yr old girls how to use tampons, and has approached Canadian schools about "providing Sanitary products for them" - has taken selfies of themself in the women's toilets with young girls in the background, and pronounced "YESSSS!!" on twitter in response to some policy saying transwomen could use the changing rooms according to their gender identity. Now deleted, but screenshotted.

But that's funny Fecko

Oh Fekko 😂

That’s Jonathon/Jessica Yaniv btw. OBSESSED with 9-10 year old girls using tampons.

Where is that gust coming from? 💨