SCOTTISH GRA REFORM ANNOUNCEMENT BROUGHT FORWARD

the Equality Impact Assessments will be very telling if done properly I think. Even if not done properly, it will be handy to be able to point to a document full of holes and talk about the holes.

On 16 April the suspect was witnessed being assertive at their place of work. Further more, that same evening the suspect was seen in broad daylight drinking a pint of beer.

I can be a woman inspector. pick me, pick me!

I know we are making jokes, but surely when it starts to get looked at properly in parliament they will see what a ridiculous proposition it is.

AFAIK all the countries who "led the way" didn't have much of an informed debate - they were lobbied and then the legislation was passed.

If in Scotland we have an informed debate, surely the legislation can't pass?

Do you think they will have woman inspectors?

I am sorry. I am going to have to arrest you. Your nails are too short and you seem overly interested in Maths.

Will there be inspections of clothes, telly watching, shoe wearing , housework , car mending. , car washing ,

It’s a totally weird and undoable concept to live as a woman

Yeps.
How does living as a woman work. It’s a weird concept

If I live like a man does it turn me into a man

I don’t know how I would live as a man

I would still be a woman however I lived

I think I live as a man quite a bit of the time - no makeup, often wear men’s clothes, do (actually likes) DIY, enjoy gardening...

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Yep, I'm looking forward to the legal definition of "living as a woman" and "living as a man"

You don’t see many living as an age-appropriate woman do you? So often it’s an aping of a ‘young’ woman or older female child no matter their real age (or are we allowed to ID as eternal 18 now?) . I wonder why?

I am not sure how you "Live as a woman?" Must wear dresses, change nappies, accept lower pay, enjoy wearing pink...

"The suspect was observed holding a map the correct way up....."

Well, quite. Hopefully the second consultation on these specifics will show this whole thing up.

I am not sure how you "Live as a woman" so, if you declare yourself one, and then do womaning wrong, you go to prison. Is that correct?

It makes no sense. Won't the law then have to provide a definition of what woman is beyond sex. Must wear dresses, change nappies, accept lower pay, enjoy wearing pink...

When they say none of the exemptions in the equality act will be changed, does that include primogeniture exemptions?

From the Scottish side yes. The equality act is reserved to Westminster so ScotGov can't touch it. Somerville said that they had asked and the UKGov have no intention of changing the act.

There's lots of 'we've been let down by the SNP' on Twitter. But really they've been let down by Stonewall etc diluting the definitions so much, and by the aggressive porn anime bunch. No one wants to see genuine people suffer.

Whilst browsing twitter I came across this tweet thread which was retweeted by forewomenscot and Simon Fanshawe. Worth a read.

twitter.com/alicetimmons/status/1141295688279572480

Yeah, this time last year it looked like an absolute sure thing. So well done to everyone for getting this far. But there will be a huge battle ahead to get heard.

Wonder how this affects the Westminster lot.

Cos there's no way in hell that they can push GRA reform through regardless now. They wouldn't dare. They have to consult more widely also.

Suspect that they might wait until they see how the Scottish consultation pans out.

So I can list my hair colour as blonde and my eye colour as blue (with the aid of peroxide and contacts?). If I wear heels I could be 5”11... goody. Is that how this works?

Thanks very much to forwomenscotland and everyone who made this possible

Joan who stood up to the bullies

When they say none of the exemptions in the equality act will be changed, does that include primogeniture exemptions?

For women Scotland and GoonerProf both live tweeted this too. I saw mention that they would get proper evidence on how self Id works in other countries. So we might find out for certain which services are actually segregated by sex not gender in Ireland.

I think it's amazing this has been achieved given how things looked when I started reading about this in (I think) March-ish 2018. The grass roots groups have achieved this. Thank you to them! The official women's sector would have cheered it through with no further scrutiny.

So will there be a draft bill published now? It will be much better to consult on an actual bill.

I have just listened. SAS kept mentioning how stressful the current GRC process is, and I kept thinking lets remove the stress by getting rid of the process. I don't think, from comments made this afternoon, that she understands why the legislation was thought to be necessary in 2005. Overall, however, I'm more hopeful than I was as long as the consultation is done properly with the end result that the protections in the Equality Act are properly enforced in Scotland.

I will stop ranting now.

Full link here for anyone who can bear it. Joan McAlpine around 16:10 in.

www.scottishparliament.tv/meeting/ministerial-statement-update-on-scottish-government-review-of-the-2004-gender-recognition-act-june-20-2019

Perhaps the Scottish government might wish to reflect on the lobby groups who produced these guidelines in the first place. And whether outsourcing policy to lunatics without any oversight is perhaps a bad move.

To be fair I think that Somerville pretty much said as much, without actually saying so. Announcing that the flawed guidance will be withdrawn while managing to avoid actually calling it flawed was quite a feat …

Also a really positive thing is the data analysis working party - they have really taken on board what the potential (hell, actual) problems are there - and well done Joan McAlpine for asking about crime stats too.

I am not in Scotland so this could be wrong, but, might it be possible that the delay - and, effectively, the complete junking of the previous public consultation they did - mean that the Scottish government knows, for a fact, that they could not get a GRA reform of any kind through Holyrood immediately? Because if so, isn't that pretty massive?

yup Yah cult is right.

And defo repeal the GRA. Record Sex if you must record gender, don't allow recording of gender in the absence of sex. Don't allow mixed sex provision in the absence of single sex. In short provide a third option, for everything - give people choice.

I could cry.

Oh and also this international best practice slogan thing is a straw man I am sick of, they only ever mention two countries and there is loads more countries than that in the world innit?

All this back patting on polite discussion of a toxic debate (poor trans poor trans) then a shut fuck up slam down of McAlpine raising very real facts concerning WOMEN in Scotland. The whole insinuation that all that needs done is to unite the parties and make the public see that they are wrong and unkind is maddening.