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SCOTTISH GRA REFORM ANNOUNCEMENT BROUGHT FORWARD

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Mbwashenzi · 18/06/2019 18:59

It was going to be announced on the 25th - now moved forward to Thursday. Anyone going to join me in the public gallery at Holyrood??

twitter.com/wornoutmumhack/status/1140953953758261248?s=19

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/06/2019 09:27

Interesting tweets from Joan McAlpine re Representation on Public Boards...

"Decision made by all party committee scrutinising bill at stage 2, not by the SNP. MSPs voting on final bill were totally unaware of change. We're all responsible, but at the time the issue was neither understood nor explored. Changed days...@Scottish_Women"

"The legislation for public boards is not a precedent. Legislation - and law - doesn't work that way in Scotland. It was a mistake. Parliament won't make same mistake again & @Scottish_Women already campaigning to reverse it!"

twitter.com/JoanMcAlpine/status/1144360847508221952?s=19

Ereshkigal · 27/06/2019 11:18

I'm glad there is a consultation because I thought the representation act was a done deal.

Scotland has suffered the worst in the UK from the transactivists' agenda. It's so inspiring to see such a strong pushback from Scottish women's rights organisations.

It seems like the world is looking to UK feminists and UK feminists are looking to Scottish feminists for a way out of this mess.

Scottish feminists are the absolute business

Yes to all this.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 25/06/2019 10:46

Yes, I wondered about that too - how do they classify a transman?

Janie143 · 25/06/2019 09:56

Surely the name on the gas bill or any of the other criteria are all irrelevant as the proposal is that The Act does not require an appointing person to ask a candidate to prove that they meet the definition of woman in the Act So any man can apply as a woman (apart from a transman)

Daughterofmabel · 25/06/2019 09:43

Filled it in. Comments here helped a great deal - thanks

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 25/06/2019 09:07

Dozens of names in Arabic that are for both men and women.
Some in Kurdish too.

charlestonchaplin · 25/06/2019 08:48

In some ethnic groups, for example the Nigerian Yoruba tribe, many names can be used by males or females. How would their ‘name on a gas bill ‘ test work then?

Sexnotgender · 25/06/2019 08:42

Or
Dear Blue Haired One

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 25/06/2019 08:38

Or
Dear sweet summer child

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 25/06/2019 08:37

Definitely you are then dear sir/madam

TimeLady · 25/06/2019 08:23

Just a thought....if you specify your pronoun is 'they', are you Dear Sir or Dear Madam?

TimeLady · 25/06/2019 08:21

Why does the gas company need to know your gender/sex anyway, other than to be able to refer to you as Dear Sir/Madam or Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Abcde in correspondence?

It took me months to insist that my bank dropped the Mrs and printed just my initials and surname on my cheques & bank card (as it did my DH's). All these organisations should be finding ways to make such data gender neutral.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 25/06/2019 07:44

This here 'female name,' what would that be in Scotland

And of course Scots from other ethnic backgrounds may well have names that would not be widely recognised as male or female - I'm not an expert on, for example, Korean names...

DuMondeB · 25/06/2019 00:11

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SCOTTISH GRA REFORM ANNOUNCEMENT BROUGHT FORWARD
OccasionalKite · 25/06/2019 00:08

Yes, the words "woman" and "women" should be confined to the class of people your mum belongs/ belonged to.

We all know, really, what a woman is, because we all came out of one. Seven billion-odd on this planet earth now? Every single one of those seven billion people were born out of a woman's body.

Men who are trying to colonise womanhood can just fuck right off.

InsulatedCup · 24/06/2019 22:51

Presumably, the aim of the proposed legislation is to ensure equal representation of both sexes on public boards.

There are a number of definitions that could be used for those purposes - "menstruators (past or present); uterus-havers (past or present); ova producers (past or present); all a bit biological - so how about "women"?

SimplyMonstrous · 24/06/2019 22:39

Scottish Feminists are the absolute business Flowers

Yup, that sums it up....

fascinated · 24/06/2019 22:29

@LassOfFyvie - that is really dreadful then.

OldCrone · 24/06/2019 21:59

having looked at the Gender Representation consultation, I'm thinking I'll only answer question 11.

I think I'll do the same. That definition of 'woman' really needs to be challenged.

You don't have to answer every question on a consultation.

LassOfFyvie · 24/06/2019 21:49

Personally I am not in favour of the entire Bill but I don't suppose that's what their consultation is looking for.

PencilsInSpace · 24/06/2019 21:33

I'm glad there is a consultation because I thought the representation act was a done deal.

Scotland has suffered the worst in the UK from the transactivists' agenda. It's so inspiring to see such a strong pushback from Scottish women's rights organisations.

It seems like the world is looking to UK feminists and UK feminists are looking to Scottish feminists for a way out of this mess.

Scottish feminists are the absolute business Flowers

BickerinBrattle · 24/06/2019 21:32

Civil servants who apparently flunked biology. One cannot “become female” no matter what process one undergoes. One is either female at conception, or not. I’m astonished that phrase was used.

Of course, that raises the question of just what one does become, when one undergoes or at least proposes to undergo various procedures — and which procedures accomplish what, exactly, in the steps along that path of becoming.

It’s not so much “woman” that needs further detailed definition as it is “transwoman.”

Surely a TW is not just a man who’s changed his name and who might, one day, when he gets around to it, undergo some procedure or other.

LassOfFyvie · 24/06/2019 21:06

Yes - civil servants in Scottish Government's legal department.

fascinated · 24/06/2019 20:53

Who writes this stuff? Genuine q - civil servants?

Birdsfoottrefoil · 24/06/2019 18:31

The Gender equality on public boards document constantly muddles sex and gender - talking about ‘gender’ inclusive of men as women on the one hand, then discussing how this links with the public sector equality duty which is Equality act and therefore sex, or how they can boost membership on boards using the Equality Act again (sex). In any case it is clear that they would consider equality requirements to be met with a board that is 100% Male.