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Councillor wants Mayor to make all toilets gender neutral

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Comingtoatownnearyou · 17/06/2019 20:56

Local paper today:

www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mayor-quizzed-gender-neutral-toilets-16437625

I am planning on writing to the Mayor to be vocal in my objections, but I may need some guidance as well please.

Traditionally toilets have been gender specific, divided into two categories: male and female.

First of all I will make it very clear that they have been divided by SEX.

make a start by designating all council building toilets as gender-neutral.

I guess this is where I need to start quoting the Equality Act? and that it is a legitimate aim to separate by sex. I am also going to quote the (2011) cenus figures about the diversity of the town and the significantly high Muslim population.

I understand, clearly, there will be some concerns from some councillors and members of the public but the risk does not increase once public toilets become gender neutral.

In fact, if anyone has any intention in committing a crime at present, they will do so.

This is about creating a much more safer environment for transgender and non binary people.

The first really is not true is it? and the last is just about getting women to suck it up

I am having lots of thoughts that I will keep to myself.

I do have a lot of respect for Ellie though, I don't necessarily agree with all of her viewpoints but she is always fairly respectful when voicing them.

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TheInebriati · 17/06/2019 22:27

No, the disabled toilets are not the answer.

Its very simple; make the mens mixed sex. Leave the disabled toilets for disabled people - being trans is not a disability - and the womens toilets for women.

AnyOldPrion · 17/06/2019 22:10

"The feeling of humiliation is an experience that most of us don't go through when visiting a public toilet and, in 2019, that is simply unacceptable."

I'm so fucking sick of hearing this. If transitioning people feel so fucking humiliated all the time, then transitioning is obviously a miserable failure of a treatment that doesn't work when the patients meet the real world.

This is not women's fault and women should not have their needs put a poor second to the utter failure of the medical profession to help these individuals.

And as for those who are lying about the humiliation, and actually are turned on by the humiliation they are causing others... well I have no words for them at all.

Fuck off Dave Smith. Fuck off with your man's selfish view of the world.

Sad

Apologies OP. As you were. Please keep fighting. Politely. I'll just be sitting here rolling my eyes and tearing my hair out at the sad fact that you are having to do this at all.

Daughterofmabel · 17/06/2019 21:51

Yep agreed. My dsil has just posted on fb. Brave women!

Comingtoatownnearyou · 17/06/2019 21:41

Thanks all and thank you for the links. I will suggest a solution - I don't think the disabled toilets are the answer but a separate self contained stand alone toilet may well be.

Daughterofmabel The more the better, AP seems willing to listen so we need to make sure that he hears lots of well thought out balanced objections to the idea.

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Daughterofmabel · 17/06/2019 21:33

Comingtoatownnearyou
This is my hometown. Will be writting.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 17/06/2019 21:23

Here you are OP: Fair Play for Women - it's about changing rooms but I presume the same applies to toilets:

fairplayforwomen.com/changing_rooms/

And the appalling consequences for women of mixed sex facilities:

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

Laterthanyouthink · 17/06/2019 21:19

It will never happen - resource thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 17/06/2019 21:03

"I understand, clearly, there will be some concerns from some councillors and members of the public but the risk does not increase once public toilets become gender neutral.

Where are the statistics to back this up?

Juells · 17/06/2019 21:03

WHY?
WHY?
WHY?
WHY?
WHY?

Why is it so important?

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