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Councillor wants Mayor to make all toilets gender neutral

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Comingtoatownnearyou · 17/06/2019 20:56

Local paper today:

www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mayor-quizzed-gender-neutral-toilets-16437625

I am planning on writing to the Mayor to be vocal in my objections, but I may need some guidance as well please.

Traditionally toilets have been gender specific, divided into two categories: male and female.

First of all I will make it very clear that they have been divided by SEX.

make a start by designating all council building toilets as gender-neutral.

I guess this is where I need to start quoting the Equality Act? and that it is a legitimate aim to separate by sex. I am also going to quote the (2011) cenus figures about the diversity of the town and the significantly high Muslim population.

I understand, clearly, there will be some concerns from some councillors and members of the public but the risk does not increase once public toilets become gender neutral.

In fact, if anyone has any intention in committing a crime at present, they will do so.

This is about creating a much more safer environment for transgender and non binary people.

The first really is not true is it? and the last is just about getting women to suck it up

I am having lots of thoughts that I will keep to myself.

I do have a lot of respect for Ellie though, I don't necessarily agree with all of her viewpoints but she is always fairly respectful when voicing them.

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WarriorN · 13/04/2022 15:00

Started a new thread as titles should now be different

Ex-Middlesbrough councillor guilty of child sex offences www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4528991-ex-middlesbrough-councillor-guilty-of-child-sex-offences

WarriorN · 13/04/2022 14:55

Thanks for the link

WarriorN · 13/04/2022 14:49

Found guilty today.

GrinitchSpinach · 07/09/2019 21:56

He's accused of abusing 7 kids but insists he can still remain as a councillor.

I mean, gimme a fuckin' break...

Cuntysnark · 07/09/2019 21:54

I am mightily angry about this shit show.

Ereshkigal · 07/09/2019 21:44

Not keen on this idea as a bloke tbh. Separate provision is the best option IMO.

Bit out of order to moan about people speaking on women's behalf but then to speak on men's behalf yourself.

Bit out of order to keep barging into women's threads telling them it's irrational to want single sex spaces and services for reasons of safety (and speaking on behalf of women) when you have your own issues with mixed sex provision.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 07/09/2019 20:40

Yet another male campaigner demanding that women and children must share toilets with him who is exposed as having serious sexual offences charges against him.

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/09/2019 20:31

“Accused of having sex with a child” Shock

Surely they mean sexually abusing a child? (In the article)

BadgerOfDoom · 07/09/2019 15:35

Its very simple; make the mens mixed sex

Not keen on this idea as a bloke tbh. Separate provision is the best option IMO.

Bit out of order to moan about people speaking on women's behalf but then to speak on men's behalf yourself.

SunsetBeetch · 07/09/2019 15:18

Agree Popchyk this isn't good enough.

Popchyk · 07/09/2019 13:52

Charges as serious as these should be dealt with swiftly, no?

Waiting another year before the trial is shameful. Those poor victims having the prospect of a trial hanging over them for so long.

And 3 years for Tony Prince to come to trial, only to be told he'd had too long a wait therefore no jail for him.

SunsetBeetch · 07/09/2019 12:50

Update on Councillor Creep:

The councillor who threatened to make Middlesbrough a gender-neutral town has appeared in court again on child-abuse charges.
He's accused of abusing 7 kids but insists he can still remain as a councillor.
His gender-neutral masterplan has been cancelled.
t.co/scxMSg5DGr

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/17880264.middlesbrough-councillor-accused-child-sex-offences/?ref=twtrec

A COUNCILLOR accused of engaging in sexual activity with children and teenagers has denied all of the charges against him.

Cllr David Smith, who represents Coulby Newham on Middlesbrough Council, pleaded not guilty to seven charges said to have occurred several years ago.

The 30-year-old is accused of having sex with a child, engaging in sexual activity with two other children and four teenagers.

Wearing a white patterned shirt and glasses, Cllr Smith appeared at Teesside Crown Court where he denied all of the allegations against him.

He was released on bail until his four-day trial scheduled for June 1, 2020.

Following the accusations, Cllr Smith, of Rainsford Crescent, Middlesbrough, resigned from the Conservative Party but stated he intends to remain as a councillor.

In a statement he previously said: “I completely reject these spurious allegations and removing myself from the party will ensure I can focus all my efforts on fighting to clear my name.”

TerfTalk · 06/09/2019 14:48

Single sex toilets are already gender neutral surely?

AnyOldPrion · 06/09/2019 14:48

Amazing the number of middle-aged men who try to push for increased access to woman’s spaces, then are found to gave committed sexual offences.

Popchyk · 06/09/2019 14:43

Just an update to this.

Councillor David Smith has appeared in court accused of sexually abusing three children and four teenagers.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/17880264.middlesbrough-councillor-accused-child-sex-offences/?ref=twtrec

Court case is not scheduled until June 2020. Plenty of time to consider his gender identity now if he so wishes.

Like Tony Prince of Sheffield who was arrested in June 2016 for the possession of over a thousand images of the worst type of child sexual abuse. By the time the case came to court over three years later, the judge said that Prince had waited too long for justice, so was let off.

Tony Prince was identifying as Toni by the time the case got to court.

www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/sex-offender-spared-jail-following-unjust-delay-by-police-in-sheffield-485493

Amazing the number of middle-aged men who suddenly identify as a woman after they are charged with sexual offences.

ZebrasAreBras · 17/07/2019 16:44

It is understood that Mr Preston's decision is unrelated to Cllr Smith being charged with child sex offences earlier this week

Ha, the decision to put on hold, the same week the counsellor campaigning for it was charged with child sex offences, is just another astounding coincidence, I'm sure Wink

MoleSmokes · 17/07/2019 16:39

Which city is that, @stucknoue ?

stucknoue · 17/07/2019 16:30

Most city (council funded) public toilets are unisex, have been for years, they are stand alone booths and work fine.

SunsetBeetch · 17/07/2019 16:29

Mr Preston probably has to be careful what he says about Councillor Creep given it's a legal matter. At least he's realised that there are differences in opinion on this. Hopefully he will do a proper, fair consultation. We'll be watching!

ZebrasAreBras · 17/07/2019 16:28

twitter.com/2010equality/status/1130973355849461765?s=21

This is what Edward Lord has done - railroaded through, against the wishes of women. A complete disregard of women's rights.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/07/2019 16:24

Yes - that one is still in his denial shell for now.

ZebrasAreBras · 17/07/2019 16:23

Who, me? I wish I was.

Baguetteaboutit · 17/07/2019 16:17

It is understood that Mr Preston's decision is unrelated to Cllr Smith being charged with child sex offences earlier this week

Isn't that just a bit of arse covering phrasing that allows them to raise both issues in the same article without making any assumptions of guilt?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/07/2019 16:15

You are kidding right?

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