The trans stuff has opened my eyes to our real status

We are not even allowed to define ourselves. Men have collectively decided what a women is.
I had a fume with/at one of my rather woke DC about this recently. No, mate, I will NOT call myself a ciswoman, a cis-woman or a cis woman, because - get this - it is up to me, as a member of a group which still does not enjoy equal status, to decide what I call myself and others like me. I am a woman.
But what does it cost you? asked the woke one. It's only a word.
No, no, it isn't only a word. It's giving in to this batshit idea that XX and XY mean nothing. It's letting MEN define who we are.

And, er, in the 21st century I'm not playing that game.

LangCleg would it be rude of me to ask if you have fishbelly-white skin, wild red hair, and lots of tattoos? There's a character in the book I'm reading at the moment who answers to that description, called Lang Cleg.

Oppressed groups have no power. The police don't come out when they call, crimes against them aren't properly prosecuted. Crimes against them aren't considered real or serious crimes in society, and they're constantly minimised and justified and shrugged off as just normal. They're not properly represented politically, they have no influence, decisions are made by the powerful groups without consulting them or recognising the impact on them. They are held to unequal standards, and their actions result in far harsher interpretation, criticism and police and court action than the dominant group. The support groups and facilities for the oppressed group are under funded, are difficult to set up, the need for them/right to have them has to be constantly defended against criticism, and their resources are appropriated and redirected to more dominant groups.

Preach. This is a hyper-privileged group given sacred caste status.

Yes, I completely agree.

This issue has been an eye-opener as to who really has power in society.

I often feel alternately depressed and just downright furious about everything. There is so much rage inside me.

I have hope though. I believe that the tide is turning. Very slowly, but it is turning.

If they push through self-ID in Scotland I think that will be the tipping point. Perhaps not immediately, but I do think it will eventually peak the entire nation. It will not stand. That is my belief. 98% of the public will not accept it. Support for self-ID in Scotland is under 20%.

I agree. A few years ago, I really thought we were actually getting somewhere with feminism, things were changing etc.

Now I realise that we will always be at the mercy of men.

It is fucking bullshit. It makes me want to go and live on a desert island.

The fact that Mrs Spencer expects her post to be deleted shows that.

(I've screen shotted it!)

Even in 2019 women are taught by society to put others first. Always.

I think one of the issues behind this is the illusion that, as the years go by, we are moving forward.

People who say "I can't believe you're so transphobic! It's 2019!" As if that date makes it a mic drop.

These MRA are trying to hark back to Victorian ideas of where women stand in society.

Welcome to the world of GC feminism...we're all at our wits end on this and countless other issues

Not this shit again.

Women's rights and women's equality was a superficial gesture, nothing more. It never went more than skin deep, and men in power saw women's rights as something on loan from men to women as a gesture of goodwill.

I agree.

The ease in which women's spaces have been removed, the push to change legalisation around surrogacy and the embarrassingly bad conviction rates for male violence against women and girls prove this.

It's going to be a never ending fight.

carla1983
The original GRA went through across the uk in 2004.
The update removing gatekeeping (aka "Self-id") has gone through in Ireland and Scotland. Not England or Wales yet where It's been frozen.

Has the Gender Recognition Act gone through here in the UK? Not wanting to derail the thread but where are they with that.

I completely agree OP.

It is as depressing as hell.

I sometimes think of the bit in the Handmaid's Tale when the protagonist wakes up to find her bank account has been frozen. I ponder if that sort of thing might happen to me, as I have signed too many gender critical petitions and liked too many gender critical tweets and posted too many gender critical facebook and mumsnet posts....I will definitely be on the list.

All of this and rolling back of women's reproductive rights in the US and everyone protesting about new laws discriminating against gay men when women have been discriminated against there for bloody ever makes me realise that men really really DO hate women.

I've come to realise that the fight for our rights will be a never ending fight - the price of freedom is eternal vigilence .

Both depressing and exhausting to contemplate I know, but there it is.

I veer between deep anger and deep dejection at the futility of trying to fight against the way we are treated and viewed.

Me too. Why are we having to fight again for our rights?

It's 2019 for goodness sake.

Agreed it's been a real eye opener in how easily women, especially middle aged women, are forcibly silenced.

Great post Michelle

I don't find most of that surprising. Other than the lack of care about children, one of the most curious things to me is the lack of female solidarity. I just can't imagine giving other women's rights away because I personally don't need them. And the viciousness of 'bigot' seems worse from one's own sex somehow.

Completely agree.

This agenda has been pushed through by a group insisting they are the Most Oppressed Ever.

No. Oppressed groups have no power. The police don't come out when they call, crimes against them aren't properly prosecuted. Crimes against them aren't considered real or serious crimes in society, and they're constantly minimised and justified and shrugged off as just normal. They're not properly represented politically, they have no influence, decisions are made by the powerful groups without consulting them or recognising the impact on them. They are held to unequal standards, and their actions result in far harsher interpretation, criticism and police and court action than the dominant group. The support groups and facilities for the oppressed group are under funded, are difficult to set up, the need for them/right to have them has to be constantly defended against criticism, and their resources are appropriated and redirected to more dominant groups.

You only have to look to see where the power lies in the whole trans narrative. Women are the oppressed group. And the fact that society is ok with this shows exactly what you're saying, OP.

Women's rights and women's equality was a superficial gesture, nothing more. It never went more than skin deep, and men in power saw women's rights as something on loan from men to women as a gesture of goodwill. As soon as men wanted those rights, or perceived a disadvantage to themselves in women having them, the government and equalities committee are quite blunt in wanting women to give up to men whatever they are asked for, and don't see a need to even follow basic standard procedure such as impact assessment.

Yes that article's quite the eye opener Neurotrash.

No mention at all of women and girls and any impact on their safety privacy and dignity let alone consideration for their feelings or for those who need to use the accessible toilet.

The only people who matter in that whole article are trans & non-binary whose feelings alone are elevated above everyone else's actual physical needs and safety - no consultation, no consideration and all being decided by males.

And for trans and non-binary read males, who will have the ability to go wherever they please and fuck everyone else.

What's so crazy is that in an effort to allow others to define themselves as us, we are no longer allowed to define ourselves.

Fucking hell, if I went into a public toilet and that person was there I'd run out as fast as I could.