The trans stuff has opened my eyes to our real status

@OhHolyJesus @AlwaysComingHome Definitely read The Power too. Perhaps after Vox as it's almost an opposite society at the beginning; women are born with 'skeins' across their chests capable of discharging electric shocks. Obviously men feel threatened by this and try to shut it down...

@AlwaysComingHome Dark, disturbing, and getting far too close to home. It's a great read though; a strong female protagonist and a plot that keeps you turning pages. Enjoy!

I simply HAVE to come in here because, forty-odd years ago when I was a teenager in my first job I worked alongside a woman twice my age who was gently teaching me about feminism.

One thing she said that I found impossible to believe was her claim that, despite everything that women had achieved over the previous few decades, men could at any time take some or all of it away if they wanted to. When I scoffed she asked me, "Who would stop them?" I can still remember my reply all these years later.

I said, "But we have female MPs now, and female barristers, even a few judges. And councillors and police and teachers and suchlike. And women have the vote, so even male MPs could not just wipe out our rights."

"And anyway", I went on, "if they started changing laws or taking away what we'd won, women would go on strike, take to the streets, etc."

I walked away from that discussion thinking she was paranoid.

OMG where are you now, Sandy? I'm so sorry I scoffed at you because it's happening, and all the safeguards that I listed, that I thought were in place, turned out to be chocolate fireguards. We even have loads of women judges, law lords, ministers, chiefs of police, even more female MPs, and even a female Prime Minister, and yet it's happening.

like a saggy-titted harridan version of The Terminator when it comes to this fight - I simply will not stop.

I’m with you! Tits and all!

Sorry it's called The Power by Naomi Alderman.

I'm joining women only kickboxing club soon, to prepare myself for any terminator-style battles (had to check it was really women only first though).

Vox is really good. Very much about policing language for women only. I'm not giving too much away by saying that women get a wristband which gives an electric shock when they speak over 100 words per day. Some male characters in it don't like this but they don't do anything to fight for the women. It's interesting to see what happens when one women's knowledge is needed and how she fights against the rules.

I love dystopian fiction and if you put it together with Women Power (will check title) and Handmaids Tale we basically have our future written for us.

I can't find a definition of goady other than this.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goady

Obviously women, reign it in! Shut up!

Talk only about NICE things.

I read Vox a little while ago. I imagine this is how it started.

I picked that up a week or so in Tesco because it was in the two for £8 offer with Good Omens but I haven’t started it yet.

Without giving too many spoilers what’s it like?

cis is a delete-able term.

PouncerDarling
Not this shit again
Yep, this shit, women and their pesky rights...

@Ereshkigal. Really? I didn’t know that!

To quote MNHQ: But we think trans people will feel unwelcome if users habitually use a collective term which defines them by an aspect of their identity that they have explicitly rejected, so we’ll usually delete collective terms for trans people which centre on natal sex.

But it’s ok to refer to women as cis women even though we explicitly reject this term?

Ffs

And if I can’t refer to a transwoman as a TIM, why can they insist that I’m a cis woman???? I’m a woman for fuck’s sake.

TBF they can't on MN as it's also likely to be deleted as goady.

Sod it. This is part of the email I received from MNHQ:

“Can I use the expression ‘TIM’ (trans-identified male) in conversation with one another, as long as we don’t use it in conversation with someone who is themselves transgender?
We're likely to delete this term however it's used. 'Trans-identified' seems pretty goady – people generally don't identify as trans, but as the opposite sex. As someone said on this thread, one person can't really tell another how they identify, even if they disagree with the logic.
‘TIM’ also focuses heavily on natal sex. We don’t wish to prevent anyone from asserting as part of their gender critical position that transwomen are born male, and as ever, there is room for mods to exercise their individual judgment. But we think trans people will feel unwelcome if users habitually use a collective term which defines them by an aspect of their identity that they have explicitly rejected, so we’ll usually delete collective terms for trans people which centre on natal sex.

We know you'll be disappointed with our decision, but while we want to allow everyone to express their opinions on this issue, it's important that the debate remains civil and constructive. We'd be really grateful if you could post within the guidelines from now on.”

WHY IS IT ALL ABOUT THE FEELINGS OF THE TRANS PEOPLE - and in this case we are talking about transwomen I.e.born males - WHEN WE ARE DISCUSSING HOW THE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OF WOMEN ARE BEING ERODED???

And if I can’t refer to a transwoman as a TIM, why can they insist that I’m a cis woman???? I’m a woman for fuck’s sake.

I read Vox a little while ago. I imagine this is how it started.

@NeurotrashWarrior so have I.... am I allowed to post the email I’ve received from MNHQ? Talk about women shafting other women, it’s batshit in its contempt for women (and for free speech in general)....

Blame liberal feminism. We can have it all if we are willing to be like men. I don't want to be like a man.

I've said before but I will be like a saggy-titted harridan version of The Terminator when it comes to this fight - I simply will not stop.

And I know there are multitudes like me (possibly not saggy-titted, but I digress...)

the assaults start piling up

We won't officially know as they won't be reported or recorded correctly.

If they push through self-ID in Scotland I think that will be the tipping point. Perhaps not immediately, but I do think it will eventually peak the entire nation. It will not stand.

Ironically, I suspect what will overturn it will be men refusing to tolerate it. GC women here have been patiently trying to point out for years, along with TS people, that the average dad who perceives their kid in danger from a predator will not give a fuck for the predator's pronouns. When girlfriends and wives and daughters and mothers and sisters are afraid and distressed in loos and changing rooms and hospital wards and the assaults start piling up, there is a very real danger here. This is anything but the way to gain tolerance and win hearts and minds.

My father was meh about the whole thing until I sat him down and explained how this affected me, his other female children, his grandchildren and his mother. And then he made the noise he used to make at my dodgier boyfriends and wrote to his MP.

On the plus side: in every generation women come back with the liberation front, standing on a stronger platform of their previous gains, and they fight it through again. Harder. #Suffragette The Return: This Time She's Really Pissed Off.