Use of trans identified male as opposed to transwoman No2.

Sun is shining here too Rufusthebewilderedreindeer. [smug emoji]

Yeah thank you MNHQ, but, I don't think FWR uses the terms handmaidens or troll to any extent that warrents you using them as examples??

Still a nay from me
We actually have sunshine here, what's going on?! Been flinging it down all week so hurrah for sun

That was a lot of words said, just to get a 'no' from MN anyway.

I just think about our old friend Orwell: "but if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought."

My belief - my personal, non-professional belief - is that it is not necessary to control the language of others, unless they are directly inciting violence, and that the current and ongoing attempts to do so forms part of a mass corruption of thought, affecting women, children, teens with ROGD and dysphoric transexuals.

It’s not raining. Yeah. The sun is shining. Yeah. A bit of fresh air for everyone

Here are you...its pissing down here

Still a yay from me

This thread has been incredibly useful.

Yes. Both threads have. Update also. I shall leave it at that.

So after all that... “trans identified male” remains not allowed! Ok, so back to discussing female spaces without alluding to, um, “persons that would make those spaces not female anymore.”

That’s my workaround and I’m sticking to it!

Yes, thanks for the update, HQ. I don't think it's a surprise to anyone, but appreciate the detail.

This thread has been incredibly useful.

I said in an earlier post that I was deleted for saying that a dress cannot turn a man into a woman.
How is that not policing!!

We are forced to pretend that prominent activists who are attacking women's rights are not the males they are.

Men are angrily telling women how to speak, and MNHQ are actively helping them achieve this.
It's so wrong.

I'm not sure why HQ deleted my post. But I think I've got a fairly good idea why it was reported.

It's accuracy of language. And ongoing attempts stop women raising the issue. The entire point of the thread.

I shall repeat my post and try to remain within the guidelines I'm not aware I have broken.

Girl guides have said that they don't see a safeguarding risk allowing transgirls to share a tent with girls, because transgirls are girls. Supported in this view by the NSPCC, who, we now all realise, have statutory powers.

#transgirls is the name given to a whole swathe of male born individuals, many of whom post pornographic photos of themselves on twitter. One such individual, in women's underwear and using a dildo in their anus, filled the screen of my hairdresser's phone, whose daughter was just about to go to the girl guides.

Oh, it seems I can stay within guidelines, whilst being even more explicit.

No misgendering, no judgement, no sweeping generalisations.

My hairdresser was confronted with the reality of the dual meaning of transgirls when she googled it.

Language matters.

The problem is that some people experience statements of fact as violence

Of course we are not obliged to accord with their experience

It's yay from me.
I thought I would give my two pennyworth after finally finishing both threads.

Astonishing to see the dancing around still going on

Baffling really to see how a few posters have been so dogged-determined & committed to attempting to disrupt discussion.

Women need to be able to use clear accurate terminology to name & identify sex-based risks. This is an important part of saefguarding women, children & vulnerable adults.

Male violence impacts women & children.
There are many other areas where identification is obscured & language (as well as lobby groups) have an influence.

Women on MN & elsewhere are very well aware that #NAMALT
(not all males are like that)

The focus for women needing to discuss the impact of male violence or the men's sexual rights movement will unsurprisingly be women & children

Context is, as always, important this is the feminism & women's rights chat board on a parenting website.

'Die c*s scum'
'Burn/punch a t**f'
'Trans identified male'

One of these things is not like the other ones.

See, I don't think they are - I see it as not "policing women" as you say but trying to encourage civil debate and how the heck can you have that with people slinging cs, tf or tm around?

Please keep the threads going, @MNHQ need to stop policing women.

When I said, it's good to know that debate is welcome here and thanks to LimeKiwi
I was just following your many examples of twisting other posters words.
In answer to the question in the op, yes I believe that all words should be allowed.

Morning all

Still a yes from me

Astonishing to see the dancing around still going on

Still a yay from me. Think there's only been one 'no' across the whole two threads?

It’s not raining. Yeah. The sun is shining. Yeah. A bit of fresh air for everyone.

Why interesting? If Tm is an offensive word, but you're (general you're) OK with using that even knowing it's offensive, you'd surely be OK with being called cs too by someone who would be like "no it's not, so I'll keep saying it?"
Shouldn't be keep some offensive words but not the ones I personally find offensive.