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Stonewall article; silencing democracy and a lucrative gravy train

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 16/06/2019 08:40

The excellent Sunday Times reporting on a powerful letter from university academics. It's worth noting the jaw dropping amounts of public money that universities have thrown at trans lobby groups. No wonder such unrepresentative organisations are able to exert such a hold on the public discourse - they are rolling in £££ .

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-is-using-its-power-to-stifle-trans-debate-say-top-academics-dtswlcl0n?shareToken=2a972dd27ff6ea8dd3791c1293c9e633

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DpWm · 16/06/2019 09:27

^ Bernard that's not even including Lottery grants and government grants during "austerity", and private donations.

This simply isn't what oppression looks like.
Wealthy white middle class Oxbridge students claiming to be "oppressed" on the basis of their feelz is one of the most galling aspects of this whole debacle.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 16/06/2019 09:12

really valid points from the academics. so between Stonewall, GIRES and Gendered Intelligence, they've had £900K over 5 years out of cash strapped universities to train them in gender identity?

gosh. nice work if you can get it. it's like shelling out that sort of sum for detailed training in catholic scripture. It has the same basis in reality.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 16/06/2019 09:10

I've just cut and paste most of it above your post

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GCAcademic · 16/06/2019 09:01

Is there a link to the letter? I can’t find it on the Times website?

truthisarevolutionaryact · 16/06/2019 09:00

Meant to say IS allowed to be copied

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 16/06/2019 08:59

This is a (long) extract from the letter (which I assume is not allowed to be copied) - it's excellent as it highlights just how Stonewall's demands negatively impact on academic freedoms and of course ezplains why we have so many young people entering the workplace with these anti science, anti truth repressive ideas.:

....our disquiet over the inappropriately close relationship between the LGBT charity Stonewall and UK universities, via the Stonewall Diversity Champions programme.

The membership requirements of this programme are in tension with academic freedom. For instance, university members must instigate specialist trans policies, in addition to general equality policies, which outlaw “transphobic” teaching and research material but offer no clear definition of what would count as such.

Alongside Stonewall’s definition of transphobia as including any “denial/refusal to accept . . . gender identity”, this leaves academics unable to question the contested notion of “gender identity” without fear of sanction.

Equally, Stonewall’s guidance advises against inviting any speaker to a university who would deny “that trans people are the gender they say they are”. This is a further unacceptable restriction upon free academic debate.

The programme requires staff to undergo “trans awareness training”, during which tendentious and anti-scientific claims are presented to academics as objective fact, without the opportunity for scrutiny: for instance, that “gender is how people interpret and view themselves” and that “1 in 100 are born with an intersex trait”. In our teaching, we’re exhorted to “ask the pronouns” of students. Yet many of us would deny that pronouns refer to an inner feeling of gender identity, and wish to say so.

There are other areas that some of us wish to explore and question, such as the ramifications of Stonewall’s new doctrine that female-attracted trans women, with penises, are “lesbians”; an “affirmation model” for gender-questioning children; and the social changes caused by opening up women-only spaces to self-identified women. It is imperative to interrogate the radical shifts in thinking that all this implies, but we feel inhibited from doing so in the intimidating atmosphere produced by Stonewall’s influence.

We therefore urge Stonewall to clarify that it fully supports academic freedom of thought. Failing this, we ask universities to sever their links with this organisation altogether

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FermatsTheorem · 16/06/2019 08:52

Good article, thanks for the link. The shutting down of debate is one of the scariest things about this, and also one of the clearest indications that this is a (white) men's rights movement. I can't think of a genuinely oppressed group (women, ethnic minorities, gay people) with the power to silence dissent in this way.