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Pronouns in email signature

143 replies

thirdfiddle · 15/06/2019 14:44

I'm sure this has been discussed before but couldn't find a thread. People are talking about getting everyone at work to put their pronouns in their email signature. I really don't like the idea. Why do they want us to do this, and can anyone suggest a good neutral way to answer if asked why I don't?

Hopefully won't come up as immediate colleagues are very cynical and liable to silently roll eyes at any such initiative that gets off the ground rather than enforce it.

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nonsenceagain · 16/06/2019 01:03

We’ve been encouraged to do this too. I haven’t but if compelled will pinch either Xeno’s wonderful suggestion or ‘it’ as suggested above. Thanks mumsnet feminists!

PlatypusPie · 16/06/2019 00:33

If you are going to email someone, it’s going to be to them so it’s either going to be their name or you or your. If you are referring about them to someone else, they aren’t going to see it so what the hell does it matter ?

Ridiculous.

Goosefoot · 16/06/2019 00:22

I think I might be a ‘thou’.

I have a friend who works as a university chaplain, and this is what he puts on his name-tag (which requires pronouns, of course) at student union events.

Singlesexlulu · 16/06/2019 00:05

Whenever I see those She/her preferred pronouns I think of;

She, who’s she the cats mother?!

GurlwiththeCurl · 15/06/2019 23:56

I have retired so this won’t affect me, but I would be tempted to put:

She/him

Or

He/her

Or even

Fu/kof

Throckmorton · 15/06/2019 23:11

I think on a signature it's going to look very odd when sent externally to people who don't work in a culture where it would be considered normal to make a point of it

Absolutely! I got an email with this on a while back and thought "what the fuck?!" It looks really unprofessional

merrymouse · 15/06/2019 23:06

I find that 'you' works quite well as a pronoun.

GiantKitten · 15/06/2019 22:21

This came up on my twitter recently via friend's retweet. It's from an academic/research institution. Friend has now added pronouns to twitter bio.

I just thought WTAF?

I’m sorry it took me so long to add He/Him to my bio.

It wasn’t until recently that I understood it wasn’t there for others to know how to refer to me, but for me to support the community that wants others to know how to refer to them.

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 15/06/2019 22:14

I saw a very apt term for people like this, which someone on Twitter was using: “the under-deprived

That's exactly what it is.

Won't someone think of the plight of the non binary, pansexual , demiromantic????

IWouldPreferNotTo · 15/06/2019 19:22

It's an interesting one as working internationally I've got into the habit of using they and instead of he/she said I'd use Jane said as it's clearer.

Then I screw it all up by saying "right guys" alot in meetings.

I think on a signature it's going to look very odd when sent externally to people who don't work in a culture where it would be considered normal to make a point of it

LolaSmiles · 15/06/2019 19:14

I saw a very apt term for people like this, which someone on Twitter was using: “the under-deprived”.
I like that term. There needs to be a label for people who've never really experienced hardship or struggles or real issues who want to identify their way into an oppressed class as some societal game of oppression top trumps.

RolandOnTheRopes · 15/06/2019 19:13

*genuinely

RolandOnTheRopes · 15/06/2019 19:13

If I was asked to do this at work I'd ask for what purpose? I generally don't get it. If someone doesn't know whether I am male or female, when I am not in their presence (this is generally when pronouns are used) they can just refer to me by my name it's not difficult.

Gizmo79 · 15/06/2019 19:12

Side issue but the NHS is offering out rainbow badges. Not quite as visible as a lanyard tho....

KTara · 15/06/2019 18:37

I am not sure which poster above said this - and sorry I cannot find it scrolling back - but the point about unconscious bias against female people is so well made. That is a very good reason for not adding female pronouns.

Some colleagues have added their pronouns where I work. I have not and if anyone ever asks me to, then I shall quote research substantiating the above at them. Adding pronouns surely shapes gendered expectations of communications and that is against equality, not for it.

SarahTancredi · 15/06/2019 18:03

Fuck that..

I shorten my name to one that is unisex. I dont have to send emails at work but outside of work when I do I never say. Then I wait to see what I get back Grin

Slinkenconken · 15/06/2019 17:57

Yes, I can see this happening in my workplace. It's already started in our public facing departments. I'm not in a public facing department, but I suspect it's only a matter of time. Thankfully my closest colleagues are completely against the idea, so hopefully it won't be forced upon us.

If it is, I'm going with a previous poster and using your majesty.

BigotedWoman · 15/06/2019 17:50

Simon Evans uses one/one’s in his Twitter bio.

GCAcademic · 15/06/2019 17:49

It's a very high expectation to assume i will recall everyone's individual preferences.

Yes, how the hell am I supposed to remember the preferred pronouns of 150 students? It’s ludicrous, and putting me in a position where I’m bound to cause offence. But I guess that’s the whole point. With claimed offence comes power . . .

GCAcademic · 15/06/2019 17:46

GCAcademic the bloody rainbow lanyards! Worn by all the 'allies' people desperate to get promoted.

Yep. I have a significant % of gay colleagues in my department, and they are spectacularly disinterested in Pride, rainbow flags, etc. They just want to come to work without their sexuality being made an issue of, and I’m pretty sure they would be pissed off if I was to use their sexuality to score woke points by wearing a fucking lanyard.

DpWm · 15/06/2019 17:43

JackyHoleoak has it.

TinselAngel · 15/06/2019 17:41

My favourite one from a twitter feminist was:
Pronouns- Your/Mum.

ludog · 15/06/2019 17:40

My pronouns are "I/me"

AlwaysComingHome · 15/06/2019 17:36

I think I might be a ‘thou’.

Lamentations · 15/06/2019 17:33

GCAcademic the bloody rainbow lanyards! Worn by all the 'allies' people desperate to get promoted.