Pronouns in email signature

I actually support those who are transgender or confused to be known how they wish to be known however I think the default option should be assumed, in most workplaces there will be zero trans staff. It's political correctness. I am a woman it's blatantly obvious I don't need to tell people

I do actually see the logic in asking everyone their pronouns though. If we only asked mannish looking women or effeminate men it could risk offence. And we do normally need to refer to someone in the 3rd person whereas we don't need to know their sexuality.

But it is likely to be rude if you turn to Fred and talk about "she" in front of whoever "she" refers to

That is what I meant. The use of 3rd party pronouns when the person is present is rude.

"I'm sorry, I'd rather not focus on my genitals while I'm at work"

I'm sure they'll try and explain why it's not about your genitals, thereby making it all about genitals

I was taught it is rude to use a pronoun if the person being referred to is present.

If you address them directly, it's natural to say "you" - we use pronouns all the time (we, I...) But it is likely to be rude if you turn to Fred and talk about "she" in front of whoever "she" refers to.

Like most of you I don't get this. Pronouns are used when you are talking about someone who isn't there. I was taught it is rude to use a pronoun if the person being referred to is present.

In a face to face situation if A says something which B wants to endorse or refute , A will say I agree with/ object to what B has said. One always uses the person's name.

If A can't remember / doesn't know B's name , A will / should fudge it in some way to avoid using just a pronoun , because of the "who's she? the cat's mother?" mantra.

(as aside there was a recent thread where some posters started referring to me as "she" rather than my name and that felt quite rude and dismissive)

I tried the "pronouns: any" at a very woke event about three years back. And yet when the list was circulated of what we should call each other, I'd been listed as she/her.

Funny, that.

(I declined to take part in the event at all, after that.)

include our pronouns in our email signature to “normalise” the practice to support our colleagues.

People who suggest this really haven’t thought about the impact of gender stereotypes on women.

If it ever comes in where I work (rainbow lanyards have arrived already) I shall steal *gcacademic" recommendation and use it/it and tell anyone who objects to stop kink shaming

My work is cosying up to Stonewall and rainbow lanyards are on order.

I'm dreading the move towards performative stupidity.

I'd be tempted to put:

Pronouns: Stop talking about me behind my back.

Load of rubbish. Pronouns are for ME to use when I talk about YOU in the third person when you won't even be there and if you think you are so special that you have the right to control my thinking 24/7 by trying to enforce what words I can use, then you really, really won't want to know how I'll be talking about you.

My workplace is very keen be inclusive (not to the extent of promoting enough women or BAME candidates to senior roles, though - they don’t mean that sort of inclusive!), and one article on the intranet encouraged us to include our pronouns in our email signature to “normalise” the practice to support our colleagues.

I’ve only ever seen one person do it, a woman with an obviously female name. If it ever becomes mandatory I will steal some of the ideas here, or quietly ignore it.

My name is also a man's name and I quite like people not knowing my gender or sex when emailing etc. Right or wrong I think it helps me be taken more seriously in a very blokey field of work. I think I'd refuse and say it wasn't important how people address me so I won't, other people can do what they like. If pushed, I'd say it was no one's business here what my gender or sex is.

I have a unisex name and work in engineering. I'm probably misgendered about 3 times a week, every week, for the last 20 years.

Along with such gems as "Oh I thought an engineer was coming to visit" and "all these women in engineering, is it some sort of feminist plot?"

Still alive. Still no real urge to announce my pronouns.

My welcome letter from my current employer was addressed to "Mr".

I can't understand why it's suddenly been so important when it's just been a joke to and about me for two decades.

You wouldn't put your disability, your age, or your sexuality in your email signature so why your sex?

I agree.

I'm so glad I've managed to avoid coming across this, and it's just as well as I would instantly judge anyone sufficiently pretentious to do this. I thought "reaching out" was the lowest point in corporate speech, but this may beat it.

I am gender fluid so mine are he/her.

Charmap is your friend.

It has Heiroglyphic and Cuneiform, or if you insist on being conventional, Georgian and Ethiopian are also good.

One of the GC bio's I saw on Twitter had 'Pronouns: OD/FOD'.

Got to be a Mumsnetter!

Yes, how the hell am I supposed to remember the preferred pronouns of 150 students?

It's completely impractical. It would be better just to dispense with pronouns. The whole point is that they aren't really individualised much, if they are going to be individualised, then what we need are names.

My pronouns are I/me/my.

When you speak to me, please use you/you/your, or thou/thee/thy, if you know how to use that form correctly.

When you're speaking about me in the third person because I am not there, I don’t really care what you use, but third person singular feminine forms will usually cover it.