Pronouns in email signature

Have you noticed that people who write passive aggressive sentences always finish with some sort of emoji.

It is equally fun with aggressive sentences. See example below:

I think you are a twat

MNHQ - this is not aimed at anyone in particular, and is for illustrative purposes

Sorry to disappoint but I surely do not have a gender identity.

Not RTFT

It doesn't even make sense

If you are emailing someone you say hi shiny how are you? Have you got the thing.

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Ha, was going to shout zombieeeee but then saw it was resurrected by this poster who apparently innocently googled a question lol
which was quite helpful for me to understand why stating your pronouns can be a helpful step in moving towards a more inclusive world for people of all genders and identities
Yeah, you're new to round here, aren't ya lol?!
I personally would think "meh" to adding my pronouns and do it anyway as no skin off my nose to add them, if it makes it easier for others to not get misgendered.
I know I'm in the minority though

Drawing attention to your female sex in the workplace may not work in your favour. I tend to use initials and surname as much as possible to avoid the negative biases of other people.

(And no, I am not JK Rowling 😂)

So if required, here are my pronouns

If you are using pronouns in a sex sense, please use whatever you feel is appropriate
If this makes no sense to you, please use whatever you feel is appropriate

If you are using them in a gender sense, please use he, his or they,

On a separate note I didn't realise this was a resurrected zombie thread and was momentarily delighted to see LangCleg posting on 1st page until I checked the date

I won't be putting my pronouns, I have a name with a short version more often used for men. I get a marked improvement in email response rate if people think I'm a man.

Why would I purposely disadvantage myself?

Being physically small
Having maternity leave
Being assumed to be the PA
etc etc

Why would I want to add ‘being patronized over email too’ to that?

assuming everyones identity can be ignorant

Can you please explain what you mean by ignorant @hallymac and why you think calling people ignorant doesn't make you a supercillious person?

Ah, that word 'inclusive'.

www.indy100.com/article/cv-name-male-female-man-woman-gender-wage-gap-job-applications-sexism-7874456

There is also the fact that it has been established that when people think they are dealing with a man they treat them a lot better than when they think it is a woman. There was someone who used a female name and then a male name when communicating with people for work purposes, there was a marked difference. I will have a search for the source.

So no, I don't think it is worth making women's working lives more difficult just to placate a very few people with identity problems.

I think it creates a culture where (a) pronoun-policing and compelled speech are encouraged, and people are encouraged to see misgendering as criminally offensive, and (b) being transgender is seen as sufficiently common and widespread and mainstream to merit being constantly alluded to - which may sound harmless (and kind to transgender people who don't want to be viewed as abnormal) but actually the more it's seen as mainstream, the more you'll get young girls questioning their own gender and encouraged to think they might "really" be boys. It just wouldn't have occurred to them in past decades. Now they're encouraged to think that it's a fairly widespread thing - and that has consequences.

putting my pronoun on my email signature helps create a culture where we don't assume and then misgender people, which in turn helps create a more inclusive work place

Actually it creates a culture where people either have to "out" themselves at work, or impact their dysphoria by putting the wrong pronouns for them.

Hello everyone! I came across this thread whilst google searching for my own answer to if I should start putting 'she/her' on my email signature.

I thought I'd share this link :
www.bottomline.org/content/support-gender-inclusive-pronouns

which was quite helpful for me to understand why stating your pronouns can be a helpful step in moving towards a more inclusive world for people of all genders and identities. I realised that the reason why I thought it wasn't important for me first, was because people would assume I was obviously female from my name (or if they knew me). But then I learnt that actually, assuming everyones identity can be ignorant and sometimes very hurtful.

If putting my pronoun on my email signature helps create a culture where we don't assume and then misgender people, which in turn helps create a more inclusive work place then, yes, I am happy to do this!

I have not added pronouns to my sig block. I spent too many years in a military environment being called sir (because, you know, there aren’t any women in the military) to give a fuck. I know that sooner or later I will be told to - there have been many ‘suggestions’ - but right now I have bigger gender fish to fry.

People who suggest this really haven’t thought about the impact of gender stereotypes on women.

It has been shown time and time again that the more a woman's gender is referenced, the less she is respected in the workplace.

merrymouse and IAmAlwaysLikeThis have it spot-on. The more i think about this, the more dangerous I think it is.

I was just reading an old article about how tech start-up money is given much more to men than to women. We've all seen those blogs and twitter thread where bloke changes emails with a woman colleague for the day and is all OMG at how badly they are treated. Hell, we all know why "Currer Bell" and "George Elliot" and "James Tiptree Jr" wrote under the names they did.

And now we are being persuaded that it's progressive to constantly remind everyone we interact with by email that we are women.

I want to see an impact assessment done in every workplace as to how it affects women's careers before i say this is OK.

I work for an international company, and many colleagues I have not met face-to-face. If they don't have a profile pic, I have pretty much no way of knowing without directly asking them, and I have no reason to do that. I want to know if they can check cables in a network switch, not which loos they use.

I have met a couple of people where they're not obviously one sex or another. I will make inferences if I'm introduced to John or Emma, but Alex or Sam... You work round it, and then it gets to a point where it''s embarrassing not knowing, but being British, we're past the point where I could just ask, so I just have to emigrate to Outer Mongolia instead.

"First I will tell you about my research on pronoun use in woke circles, then Emma will present her paper on misogyny in the workplace".
Is that rude to Emma?

No, that's fine. I think most people know the difference between speaking about someone in the third person when they're there, but you're addressing everyone else - as is often done when introducing a speaker; and when you're talking about someone in front of them as if they weren't even there and aren't really relevant. I'm sure there are cases where it's not always clear-cut, though.

But if you're not sure, as I'm not with many of my colleagues in Asia, you just rephrase things - "Sao told us..."

"I was taught it is rude to use a pronoun if the person being referred to is present."

'I asked Jessica what Jessica thought and Jessica said that Jessica was considering several solutions to Jessica's problem ."

"If we only asked mannish looking women or effeminate men it could risk offence."

It has been shown time and time again that the more a woman's gender is referenced, the less she is respected in the workplace. So, no thanks. I'll risk offending a few ambiguously named, ambiguously appearanced people (which has happened precisely once in my life) if it means I get the scant respect I get these days as a woman.