Barrister Sarah Phillimore and the NSPCC

It would be a very long con, for sure

A fair point @LangCleg but the person messaging didn't say anything about 'people wanting to share confidential information'.

And I have already had a number of messages via my Chambers email which I would have thought was exactly the way to go if anyone was worried about my bona fides.

I know exactly how frightening it is to have your personal details spread about online by people who wish to do you harm. So I am not critical about people who are worried out that. But if I was some lurking transactivist then presumably I would have also set up a fake Twitter account as well as a fake mumsnet account - and crikey look how deep my cover is, I think I first posted here in 2008!

Following with interest and thanks! 👏🏻

Thank you for doing this, Spero. I'll chip in.

Also, this....

Just wanted to chime in with my support Spero. You're doing a very brave and wonderful think and I also want to donate.

Spero, I remember you very well; over the years I've come across you many, many times. I remember the CPR being set up!

I will have no hesitation in donating to something set up by you.

I have also been asked to post something on Twitter that 'proves' this is really me, which frankly I am quite annoyed about.

@Spero

I imagine this is because someone on FWR may have information for you which they'd like to communicate via PM as they are not on Twitter - or something like that*.

Don't take it personally. There was a data breach here by an intern who also turned out to be a transactivist, who had access to our accounts and posted identifying data online.

So very few of us now trust the MN PM system and do not entrust communication to it unless very sure we know to whom we are speaking.

Just another one of the depredations non-compliant women face in the brave and stunning onslaught, I'm afraid.

(*Not me, but I'd take bets that's what it is.)

Spero well done for doing this. I'm now following you on Twitter.

I'm very grateful to anyone willing to put their head above the parapet on this issue.

Another thank you from me, Spero and I too will donate to a crowdfunder. And you're right, no need to "prove" who you are on Twitter - I'm doubting the motivations of those who would require it, tbh.

I remember the Hemmings stuff on here, but wasn't aware of anything since then.

Hope you and your daughter are okay, Spero. You don't deserve any of this crap.

Remember that you don't have to "front" all this yourself. You've already done loads.

Perhaps other people/organisations would come forward and it could be a team effort of concerned parents and child protection experts. A completely new organisation maybe? Bit like Harry's Fair Cop campaign which exists independently of Harry.

@PygmyHippo - thanks, any info or tips welcome. I will speak to a lawyer tomorrow about being my Crowd Justice contact etc. I like the fact that they keep the funds separate from me - I have already been criticised over another venture of some kind of fraud, so it would be good to knock that on the head early doors.

Have spoken to Harry and got some useful tips.

I have also been asked to post something on Twitter that 'proves' this is really me, which frankly I am quite annoyed about.

Over the years I have been fairly outspoken and found my user name here published in the Daily Mail in 2014 after Hemming gave it to them; I have had my address, telephone number and photograph published on line AND my daughter was named and people directed to her instagram account.

i have already secured the conviction of one man for this (he pleaded guilty) and I am after the others.

Anyone who makes themselves identifiable in this jurisdiction and who puts me or my daughter at risk of harm, i will pursue.

So no, I am not a performing monkey and I have already paid some serous price for speaking up in the way I do. If you don't think I am who I say am, then don't get involved. It really is that simple.

Spero As it happens I am attending a talk tomorrow by Crowd Justice, would it be helpful to mention your plans or get some particular information from them?

I think with CrowdJustice the donations are only taken once the target amount is reached.

Yes. Set a low target. Once reached, I believe the stretch targets are ongoing.

That reminds me... I was going to start a thread in Site Stuff asking if CrowdJustice links could be shared, since the cash goes straight to a solicitor, so can't be used against purpose.

With HarrytheOwl's crowd justice the money was not taken until the initial target had been met.

It might be worth talking (via DM on Twitter or here) to him. He seems to have gone for a target - the minimum needed to get something worthwhile going, and then a stretch target, which is currently open and which I guess will kick in if his action progresses.

His got off to a slow start and I noticed mention of possible poor timing, re end of the month and pay day. He also got a, presumably unasked for, boost when some right wing YouTuber, picked his fundraiser up on the free speech angle and odd comments started appearing from far corners of the globe. (Though most seemed to be £10 here and there from ordinary people.)

I guess - I am no expert - that it might need a few people with a lot of followers retweeting. Glinner is an obvious one. Caro? FPFW? Transgender Trend? Some child protection specialists, since it is more about that than about Gender Recognition? Who knows you might be lucky and some LGBTQK+s and others start complaining and you end with free publicity.

I dont go there, but possibly Reddit?

I think with CrowdJustice the donations are only taken once the target amount is reached.

Yes, spoken to a few people now who confirm crowd justice is the way to go as I won't be touching the money at all. I don't know where there puts me in terms of refunds etc but I will investigate that. If I can't refund money I will say but I assume we must be able to have an alternative destination for funds (other than my pocket!) if legal action doesn't pan out.

If you are able to set one up, I think that Crowd Justice (or whatever its called, where fees go direct to a legal firm engaged to fight the case) orovides a degree of assurance for those donating and cover/protection for the person leading the charge (against smears about how funding is being used).

Thanks all
@anyfucker - will do. I have been told it is against the mumsnet rules to post link to crowdfunded here (?!?!) but when its up I will make it a link in a pinned tweet so you would be able to find it easily at @SVPhillimore. I certainly do NOT criticise anyone who doesn't use Twitter; its dark side is dark indeed but I have found it a good way of getting connected with people I might not otherwise have met (this is not always of course a good thing...)

i will set up a Facebook group as well; I will be explicit about my motivations as I always am. The aim here is to raise a lot of money very quickly and then it MUST become a story. I am not naive enough to think any legal action with 'fix' this or even be successful, but if it is the only way to force an adult and honest debate then I think we have to do it.

If legal action doesn't follow the crowdfunder then I will either reimburse people's donations or give them to a children's charity OTHER than the NSPCC.

I will set this all out absolutely clearly so no one will feel mislead or duped into donating.

Thank you spero
It's a relief that someone is willing to shine a light on this. The press being frightened is shocking.

I'm in for the crowdfunder

Statement still there on Twitter.

The issue now is that the NSPCC thinks that it owes the trans activists because of this mess. Having canned Bergdorf in a blundering way, they now feel that they have to make it up to "community". Which was precisely the point of the pile-on in the first place. They will also want to appease the staff who signed that letter in support of Bergdorf. Some of the staff will have signed that letter in order to try to get leverage over the NSPCC.

No doubt they will now be under pressure to appoint a Trans Advisory Board or similar at NSPCC. And also under pressure to ignore the implications of their already stated belief that children become the other sex because they say so and that there are absolutely no safeguarding implications within that. They don't want to be seen as transphobic so they'll back off anything that would be interpreted as transphobic (which is everything in child protection) . The NSPCC has been groomed. Clearly.

And the NSPCC is stupid enough to cave in to those demands. And not do any due diligence on the characters that they allow into the tent.

This is insidious stuff.

#SperotheShero