The Scottish Government to go ahead with self-ID

Sorry, see this has been answered.

So what will happen in Scotland and somebody self IDs and then they move to England? Do they legally revert back or are they allowed to stay in their new self ID'd gender?

Er, no.

'I’m writing to you as a constituent, and a trans person, to ask you to support my right to be recognised equally in Scotland.

The Gender Recognition Act is the law that allows trans people to amend our birth certificates, and have legal recognition of who we are and how we live.

The Equal Recognition campaign calls for reform of the Gender Recognition Act in three ways:

Remove the psychiatric diagnosis and other intrusive evidence requirements and move to a system of self-declaration
Reduce the age at which people can get legal recognition of their gender to 16, or under 16 with parental consent
Provide legal recognition for non-binary people who do not identify as male or female
These reforms would bring Scotland’s law in-line with international best practice, and ensure that I have an equal right to be recognised.

That’s why I am asking you to urgently support the Equal Recognition campaign and support my right to be who I am.

There is more information about Equal Recognition at www.equalrecognition.scot'

The text of the draft e-mail

twitter.com/i/web/status/1139496733166186496 The equality network is really going for it.

Also, www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-government-consultation-implementation-gender-representation-public-boards-scotland-act-2018/pages/1/ there's this consultation.

www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/03/gender-identity-needs-to-be-based-on-objective-evidence-rather-than-feelings

Is everyone on twitter already following @scotresisters , @glasgowmake , @WGScotland . @Scottishwomen , @WomenScotland and @ForWomenScot ? They mostly have fb pages too.
I feel like it's a good time to be networked.

Hopefully women are well organised to stop this madness. It’s fucking infuriating NS can’t stand up for women & girls.

@BoomBoomsCousin Yes, exactly.

You can get your GRC and change your birth certificate in Scotland then move to England, with your new legal sex.

This is why it doesn't matter where in the UK sex self-ID is introduced.

over 6000 complaints about the Bill have already been lodged.
Remember it's only a dozen or so people who object.

It is being reported on Twitter this morning (15/06/2019) that over 6000 complaints about the Bill have already been lodged. And the Bill hasn't even been drafted!
Excellent

I genuinely do not understand why the SNP are doing this now

Possible answer: The Scottish government wants to throw self i/d in the bin

To do it properly, there has to be a process of scrutiny, debate and a dollop of democracy. The proper place to do that is in the Scottish Parliament.

The First Minister and Cabinet cannot be seen to be doing a u-turn after making ridiculous promises to (government-funded) pressure groups. They can, however, 'accept the will' of Holyrood, without losing face.

It is being reported on Twitter this morning (15/06/2019) that over 6000 complaints about the Bill have already been lodged. And the Bill hasn't even been drafted!

Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-people-will-no-longer-need-doctors-to-determine-gender-vdsbt5ml2?shareToken=e4e331daf8afbfaf8913cc7738fb978a

I can't get my head around politicians in the uk pushing through changes that women are prevented from debating publicly by violence. How are they different to the regimes in Saudi Arabia and Iran?

If Scotland go Self-ID, could anyone in the UK temporarily relocate to Scotland and get a GRC by self-IDing?

Sturgeon said in September 2018 that the Scottish Government would do more work with a view to bringing forward draft legislation in 2019. That always gets announced in the Programme for Government in early September. So this will be her gearing up for the formal announcement in September.

Ironic, isn't it, that with two women at the helm (May and Sturgeon), we are seeing the biggest assault on women's rights for generations.

People need to wake up and smell the coffee: Sturgeon does not care about women's rights. She cares about looking 'inclusive' and 'progressive'. She supported legislation that means self-identified women can be counted as women for the purposes of ensuring public authority boards are 'gender balanced'.

Get on the phone and email to your MSPs (all 8 of them) NOW!

I feel sick and panicky after reading this.

What can I do to help this appalling situation?

60% of the consultation responses were in favour. SG won't look beyond that.

The major difficulty it has it is proposing changes which affect the UK as a whole. They had to drop the proposal to add folic acid to bread as that was unfeasible to be Scottish only.

If Wings' info is correct, I expect SG will announce it is instructing civil servants to prepare a draft bill and/or investigate the constitutional position. Comments will be invited on the draft bill when published.

Is it a vote loser?

I hope it is but do the general population care one way or another?

I can see it might be a vote loser on the basis of there are plenty of other things to worry about, like education, so why waste time on this, rather than the principle itself.

I am obviously concerned about this, or more accurately bitterly disappointed in NS that instead of pursuing an actual public consultation and impact assessment process that looks at all protected groups she forges ahead on the road to eliminating our sex-based rights, but I would echo LassofFyvie here.

This is a not entirely unexpected determination to advance the legislative process for GRA reform. Not an immediate taking effect of the proposed law (as LassofFyvie points out, we don't even know the details of what the government proposes).

And one acute and serious problem remains for the Scottish Government in this - as long as legal sex self-id is not the law in the rest of the UK, legal sex self-id in Scotland will be effectively unworkable, at least not without considerable amounts of substantial safeguards protecting women's sex-based rights (as in Ireland, where single-sex set asides can be pre-supposed ie organisations can opt out of single sex exemptions not into them).

We have a big mountain to climb, clearly, but the fight is not lost. And if we do lose this battle, we have a much better starting point for a fight back than Canadian women for instance.

Wings Over Scotland
@WingsScotlandA 100% reliable source. Feel free to wait 11 days and see if it's true

I would love to know who his source is.

This response on his Twitter feed is bizarre. I can't imagine this would have any effect whatsoever on unionist supporters.

It's a smart political move. Most people who support indy will not be dissuaded by self-ID. But there are many votes to be had from those who believe it makes us a more tolerant and open society

This is an unattributed leak that the SG will be bringing forward draft legislation.

I can't believe, no votes or debates in parliament

All draft legislation is subject to debate, review and amendment as it works its way through the Bill stages before final enactment. There isn't even a draft Bill at the moment.

Reminder of Bex Stinson (former head of Stonewall Trans Equality) comment last year at Westminster Social Policy Forum 'What's Next for TRans Equality'

Pratchet who was in attendance reported:

Fri 29-Jun-18 09:42:31
"Well they'll know it's over. Bex Stinson was asked how they got Scotland to cave so quickly and said it was because they had private conversation in private rooms with the people who provide services, not people who use them. I mean, that's how brazen and confident they were, to come out and say that and not think there's anything bad about it. That is over. Women are watching."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3268237-Westminster-Social-Policy-forum-today-Next-steps-for-transgender-Equality-WSPFEvents?pg=2