Owen Jones Twitter feed

I know we can identify as whatever we like these days but this working class left leaning mum is getting pissed off with being assigned a alt-right identity

I am an employment lawyer. Nothing is automatically a sackable or not a sackable offence, it depends on what the investigation finds, whether mitigation etc is put forward - clearly though if true, this is an incident which is capable of amounting to gross misconduct, and which could justify dismissal especially in a children’s charity.

So what is or ought to be clear is that NSPCC should take this seriously and investigate, rather than call those raising concerns “bullies”.

The posters sister in public sector that pays people off where they should be fired for gross misconduct rather than follow proper employment practice is part of the problem with public sector underfunding

Wanka Carta Choking with laughter here ....

Grinithch

Loving the work @GrinitchSpinach

I find that all too believable whether or not I think masturbating at work and putting it on the internet is misconduct.

Oh do give it up, Goosefoot. You're talking arse. Filming yourself wanking at work and then publishing it online as porn content is gross misconduct - not just in the UK. Tell your sister to give her head a wobble.

I didn't say that. Maybe you should read more carefully, or think about it a bit more.

For the four hundreth million time. Stop saying this is not a sackable offence. It absolutely is. (Im an employer, have hr advisers and also work with unions)

Just looking at little OJ's tweets

Co ordinated attempts to get him fired?

Weird.

I made something for Owen. I call it Wanka Carta.

#AllDicksMatter

Don't mislead readers by suggesting that this is not really a problem in practice, just that they are not with the times when it comes to employment law and expectations around behaviour.

Oh lol at doing this at work filming putting on net is not gross misconduct ie out the door.

Seems you definitely have different way of doing things in whatever country you are in.

This is in UK. What happens elsewhere in world is not relevant. This is a UK company based in the UK!

Making pornography at work is illegal. Men are not allowed to do this.

Oh come off it. Making amateur porn at work is gross misconduct in anyone's book

Look, as far as I know almost everyone thinks that, but getting people fired is often not straightforward.

Now, I am not in the UK, so the laws are not identical, which obviously would make a difference. It seems that here if something is done in a toilet, it's considered private. There was a case of an employee masturbating in a toilet at work a few years ago locally to me, and it went to the courts in the end, and what made them agree he could be fired is that the other employees could hear him.

What my sister said was that in reality, in all the cases she had fired people in public or semi-public employment sectors, only twice did they NOT pay the person off in the end. It's just not worth it in most cases to go through the whole process or arbitration the courts etc, especially if they can claim some kind of bigotry, mental illness or something like that.

I find that all too believable whether or not I think masturbating at work and putting it on the internet is misconduct.

Of you don't see wanking at work (in the open plan office / filming and putting on net etc) as an issue then I suppose his comments make more sense.

This seems to be a theme, and it's all about men. Men and their eternal fixation with their dicks.

Owen may be reading this, but what about bosses at the Guardian?

Like it or not, Owen's "forward" position means he has become, to many, the face of the Guardian. And it is a seriously unattractive, misogynistic, face.

Unfortunately (unsurprisingly) there is a completely tangled web of overlapping interests and shady links behind it all: threadreaderapp.com/thread/1138020606228815872.html

Is it possible to be an incel and a mum?

Did we all buy motherhood at the sperm bank?

Fucks sake. Talk about magical thinking.

I think we need a new online version of this:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=y3FnCiRpdQ4

‘Mumsnet says ‘don’t wank at work and document the evidence’

OJ has moved on. He won't respond to any criticism but I don't think he'll be revisiting the story.

Loved this tweet on the thread though

Not your image, duh, the wokey blokey one.

Yours is much funnier

Ooh, I found your image randomly and edited the colours to make it more visible to my old lady eyes, Grinitch !

Thanks! Unfortunately I am not so womanly as to know how to cross-stitch, but anyone who does know should feel free to use my design.

p.s. In case any pedants stop by, I am aware that it wasn't William the Conqueror who granted Magna Carta, but the Bayeux Tapestry meme maker is irresistible. Also figured mixing Monty Python in should be a good indicator I am not going for meticulous historical consistency here.

That would make an excellent cross stitch grinich

Grinitch- brilliant!

I made something for Owen. I call it Wanka Carta.

(I did consider putting something in there about poor King Harold getting it in the eye, but thought that might lower the tone too much...)