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Lily Allen “tried to avoid being a woman” because of the derogatory way her father spoke about them.

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stumbledin · 13/06/2019 00:58

It can be hard enough in families if you have male relatives who are constantly negating and insulting women. And it must be worse in one of them (like Lily Allen's dad) earns his living by doing this on tv.

Can you imagine if Russell Brand was your father.

I dont know much about Lily Allen but she has my sympathies for the poison he must have put in her mind.

"when she was growing up, her relationship with her father, actor Keith Allen, was “fragmented” and that the language he used when talking about women negatively impacted her ability to form female friendships."

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/lily-allen-dad-keith-woman-daughters-interview-stylist-a8955071.html

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Yeahnahyeah · 14/06/2019 06:07

I hear ys

joyfullittlehippo · 14/06/2019 01:45

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LassOfFyvie · 14/06/2019 00:54

I didn't know about paying for sex, but it seems to illustrate that if you learn about relationships with women from an MRA you would have been conditioned into thinking this was acceptable

Oh come off it. Allen had a mother as well and plenty of other people in her life.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Allen?wprov=sfla1

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stumbledin · 14/06/2019 00:29

When I posted this last night I suppose I sort of wondered whether women would share their own experiences of having grown up with toxic masculinity.

I sort of assumed as this is a feminist forum the harmful influence on children who "learn" about society through their parent/s attitudes and behaviour.

I'm not that into celebrity culture but have seen references from male celebrities (including Russell Brand) about how their attitudes to women were formed by fathers who consumed porn (and various substances). And all too often their life story is of their damaging relationships with women, and later on admitting they have been shits and now of course are in a proper relationship (with no apology to the women / children damaged by them) and they get huge praise.

I posted the link because it is unusually for a woman in the public spotlight to talk about having a similar experience. And how it has impacted on her and her attitudes to women. I didn't know about paying for sex, but it seems to illustrate that if you learn about relationships with women from an MRA you would have been conditioned into thinking this was acceptable.

She may well be a "drama queen" but to dismess her attempts to understand how her childhood impacted on her seems about as far from sisterhood as is possible.

Sad
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LassOfFyvie · 14/06/2019 00:20

There really isn't much substance in that article is there? I'm struggling to see how anyone could read it and come to the conclusion she is saying something "incredibly important".

Her use of prostitutes is vile.

AverageAvenger · 13/06/2019 23:02

Lily Allen paid for sex with a number of prostituted women. And she used that fact to merely highlight her own woe is me narrative.

I can’t take any feminism seriously from someone who buys women’s bodies. And before this revelation I had a soft spot for her.

MrsBertBibby · 13/06/2019 22:55

playing the victim

I see.

joyfullittlehippo · 13/06/2019 22:44

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newtlover · 13/06/2019 22:35

I don't really know anything about these people, but I would bet quite a lot that there is a relationship between growing up in a family where there is domestic abuse and thinking you are 'born in the wrong body'

Erythronium · 13/06/2019 21:02

Keith Allen is an incredibly unpleasant misogynist - I've never been able to stand him. It must have been very hard being his daughter. I don't think Lily Allen is playing the victim here, she's being brave by talking about it.

AncientLights · 13/06/2019 04:02

Maybe she learned to play the victim? Anyway, I say negative things about Keith Allen. Not that he's my dad of course, but still.

On the positive side Lily's mother, Alison Owen, is gender critical. Grin

BettyFloop · 13/06/2019 01:37

Lily Allen loves creating drama and playing the victim
Agreed Leoby
But I can see it - given, for many of us;
when she was growing up, her relationship with her father, [ whoever he was ], was “fragmented” and that the language he [ and many other men ] use[d] when talking about women negatively impacted her ability to form female friendships.
(My bolds)

Leobynature · 13/06/2019 01:10

Lily Allen loves creating drama and playing the victim 🙄