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Owen Jones sounds off about ‘self described’ feminists

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AlwaysTawnyOwl · 12/06/2019 18:10

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/12/lgbtq-rights-danger-pride-fight-back-homophobic-attacks

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JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/06/2019 19:15

Both rockingchair

Popchyk · 12/06/2019 19:15

You imagine him sitting there thinking, shall I put in Auschwitz or Treblinka?

Heck, I'll put them both in as usual, then chuck in a few references to Other Bad Stuff Worldwide in a feeble attempt to mitigate the anti-semistism.

And then I'll whine about Munroe Bergdorf's own actions resulting in MB being canned. Cos that's totally comparable to the holocaust.

Notice that he's going for "higher than usual instances of suicidal thoughts" with respect to people who identify as transgender. Presumably The Guardian is not allowing him to use the false statistics now.

rockingchaircandle · 12/06/2019 19:14

Doesn't he refer to 'self described liberals' not feminists?

What's the problem with the fetish guy?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 12/06/2019 19:11

I didn't click the link

the less guardian I have in my life the better

DuMondeB · 12/06/2019 19:07

Hey Guardian! How about employing Amy Dyess (or any capable young lesbian writer, really) to write an opinion piece, rather than letting Owen Jones talk over women, yet again?

mobile.twitter.com/AmyDyess/status/1138507631113322496

JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/06/2019 19:07

DO NOT CLICK THE LINK

DO NOT CLICK THE LINK

DO NOT CLICK THE LINK

JackyHolyoake · 12/06/2019 19:06

Very much 'what he does in his spare time is his own business.' 'If it's between consenting adults etc'.

I agree, so long as such behaviour is enacted in private and not in the public realm.

Children and women do not need to be exposed to such male sexual behaviours against their consent.

From what I have seen from pictures of Pride Parades they seem to have become more about public paraphilic behaviour parades.

#BoycottPride

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 19:02

How the fuck does that moron get away with this?

DO NOT CLICK THE LINK

HE GETS AWAY WITH IT, BECAUSE HIS JOB IS TO GENERATE CLICKS.

DuMondeB · 12/06/2019 19:01

Oh DO fuck off, Owen.

terryleather · 12/06/2019 19:01

I am posting these again - maybe it's just me, but I never ever get tired of them...

Owen Jones sounds off about ‘self described’ feminists
Owen Jones sounds off about ‘self described’ feminists
WizbetisaNizbet · 12/06/2019 19:00

I had a look on Glinners Twitter feed. It was awful. Full of men like Owen and woke new adults who can't see why the NSPCC man's fetish is a problem around children and vulnerable children. Very much 'what he does in his spare time is his own business.' 'If it's between consenting adults etc'.

When you are involved in any capacity with vulnerable often abused children then yes it is a massive problem.

BDSM is not a harmless lifestyle choice. It's a sexual fetish. Why are they trying to normalise it?

JackyHolyoake · 12/06/2019 18:57

Further, Mr Jones did not explain why the man concerned, who is an employee at NSPCC, today removed from Internet view all references to his paraphilic behaviour.

MenstruatorExtraordinaire · 12/06/2019 18:56

Goodness me. What a load of rubbish. I notice women are "gay" rather than lesbians now. And yes, gay men are just that not "cis". One rule for women, another for men.

SomeDyke · 12/06/2019 18:54

Well, I will admit I've not watched that clip before, but for JHB, it's like talking to a toddler. As a supposed representative of the LGBTQIblahblahblah 'community' he is way beyond an embarrassment. For that incident alone, no one should listen to a word he says, because the gay people who were murdered ended up being supposedly represented by an idiot like him. If you can't use words little Owen, then be silent, and let someone else do the talking. Your flounce did nothing to respect their memory or why they died, you disrespected then totally by your childish behaviour.

Popchyk · 12/06/2019 18:53

And, you know, maybe this guy didn't actually want his fetishes to be referred to in a national newspaper, Owen. By erm, you. If his privacy is important, then respect his privacy.

But hey, they're a prop for your rage.

So he's just collateral damage, right?

OJ has absolutely zero awareness about himself. Makes me cringe.

toomanyleavesonthattree · 12/06/2019 18:52

What did OJ say before he stormed off? 'SO you are going to have an LGBT (something) talking about this?'

I can't stand men talking over women the way he did either. Loved Julia's response though, 'You choose your words and I'll choose mine. That's the way this works ok?'
It was just so spot on! The type of thing I would think about in retrospect and wish I had said!'

JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/06/2019 18:49

Despite spending a lot of the article talking about gay men, he never refers to them as cis-gender gay men

They get to name themselves. Women must be told.

JackyHolyoake · 12/06/2019 18:49

And, for the information of Mr Jones, here is the definitive list, from DSM 5, of known paraphilic behaviours:

Owen Jones sounds off about ‘self described’ feminists
JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/06/2019 18:49

because they found pictures of him in fetish gear online

LINKED TO HIS ACCOUNT you lying toad.

Popchyk · 12/06/2019 18:48

"cis-gender lesbians".

Christ. The man is delusional. Despite spending a lot of the article talking about gay men, he never refers to them as cis-gender gay men. But Ruth Hunt is a cis-gender lesbian apparently.

I suspect that he writes his articles by concatenating the 20 most bonkers Twitters threads of the day from the LGBT paramilitary wings of the Lib Dems, the Greens and Labour.

And doesn't proof-read.

BiologyIsReal · 12/06/2019 18:48

Another word salad from the Jones.

Missingstreetlife · 12/06/2019 18:47

Testerical! 😆🙃😁😃

Alltheprettyseahorses · 12/06/2019 18:47

Is sanctimonious little OJ trying to tell us what our identity is? And him so precious about the sanctity of people's self-ID. But then I'm not sure he thinks of women as people. Not like him anyway.

Outofinspiration · 12/06/2019 18:44

Sorry but this:

The anti-trans activists who hounded Bergdorf are now demanding the sacking of a senior, gay NSPCC employee because they found pictures of him in fetish gear online, suggesting therefore he is not safe around children.

Is total disingenous bollocks. No one suggested this guy is 'not safe around children'. For fucks sake. Also, they didn't 'find' the pictures, he linked them from his public LinkdIn page!!!

Outofinspiration · 12/06/2019 18:42

That headshot though... Grin