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The right to say 'no'

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 14:53

Just reading a few threads on various things today, particularly in reference to 'kink shaming' which has come up on several.

Women do have to be more confident in their right to say 'no' unequivocally, without having this desparate need to give a lengthy explanation of why it's OK for them to just assert themselves if they feel uncomfortable about something.

The right to say 'no' always comes down to the concept of concent and 'no' is a sufficient answer to personal boundaries whatever they maybe.

There shouldn't be a movement about trying to shame women constantly into justifying themselves - whether it be, being polite about their opinions, their personal boundaries or being told what their responsibilities are.

Saying 'no' as a form of consent isn't just about crossing your legs and not having sex. It's about being a woman and being able to assert yourself without being condemned for it in anyway.

I think it nearly needed stressing given what I'm reading and it deserved its own thread about how we need to make the point that 'no' without tying yourself up in knots should be something we try and do more of across whatever it happens to be.

We should not feel guilty for saying 'no' if it's something we are unhappy about.

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FermatsTheorem · 12/06/2019 15:13

Thank you for starting this thread. I've noticed this on several threads too (and also a false dichotomy between "prudishness" versus "anything goes").

Women are allowed to say no to any sexual practice they don't like, without further justification.

Furthermore they're allowed to say no to any sexual practice they don't even like the idea of, without being obliged to "try it just once" to see.

Women are allowed only to want to engage in sexual practices which will bring them pleasure. They are not obliged to put up with things they feel "meh" about for the sake of their partner's sexual pleasure.

MrsTerryPratchett · 12/06/2019 15:05

I spoke to a really interesting woman once about passive aggression. She's a mediator and communication expert. She said that the people she sees who are passive aggressive are often older women. "WT?F" I thought. But she made a good point. These are women who have never been allowed to ask for what they want. Their needs have never been seen as important, they have selflessly performed their role for decades and have no idea how to ask for what they want, or don't want. So it comes out as PA stuff. Once their children are independent and their DHs are retired.

The ability to say "no" (or "yes" for that matter) is valued in men and discouraged in women. It just gets a crap ton more sinister when sex is involved.

BluebonicPlague · 12/06/2019 15:00

There shouldn't be a movement about trying to shame women constantly into justifying themselves - whether it be, being polite about their opinions, their personal boundaries or being told what their responsibilities are.

^^ This! Stop with the woman-shaming!

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