Latest Caster Semenya Race

NotBad you see to think I disgree with you from start to finish! I don't. It is just the vilification of CS that I disgree with. Granted s/he isn't portraying a good image at all with such vainglorious statements. But sport science and sport law has to be seen to be done... that's my point! Otherwise the whole shit show gets dragged out for far longer and all those 'feelings' get given creedance... what is needed is what is happening:science, lots of it, specifically designed to find and illustrate the answers many TW athletes do not want to be seen.

I'm getting hung up on it because the continued focus on 'hating' CS detracts from a greater, deeper understanding of the law and the science.

And, as I may have said, sport science is what I used to do for a living! It is something I am quite passionate about even though I am no longer working in the field.

as CS like the rest of us has every right to medical privacy!

Actually no they don’t. We have a right to know if a Male is competing against females.

Sport arbitration isn’t subject to the same “innocent until proven guilty” Ha ha ha! Tell me again about the Swiss federal supreme court.

Yes! I know that.. and it is what everyone relies on to know . I don't disagree that it makes sense only if CS is!

But, I stick to my somewhat semantic point, as CS like the rest of us has every right to medical privacy! We do not know, we make that assumption.

And getting hung up on it is pointless.. the science is in, changes arfe being made, there will be more to follow. Intersex athletes will continue toc copete, be mnitored, more science will be done.

The upshot of which is that transwomen athletes will find it harder and harder to compete legally, but will still compete, relying on the science done on people with real medical conditions to do so. All totally the wrong way round, but hey! That's the fuckwitted society we currently endure!

The only reason Cas couldn’t rule is because of the ridiculous notion that the IAAF have had to prove that Semenya has an advantage, rather than Semenya proving she didn’t have an advantage

Erm, yes! That's how science works. It's also how the law works, innocent until proven guilty, FFS!

Highlight the part that states specifially that CS is 46 XY DSD!

ALL respsonsible media state categorically that "The results of gender testing carried out 10 years ago have not been made public"

Assumptions are being made!

I agree, the current situation makes absolutelty no sense if CS IS NOT, but we do not know!

No research has been done at all that has given any answers other than that which should have been given 10 years ago. I beg to differ. I've been peripherally involved in some of it! It has come on so much that undergrad students can now get ethical permission to undertake some of it! Unheard of 10 years ago!

And was known, at least 10 years ago. Recently enough to be aware of previous cases, investigations and knowledge. No, it was not!

That's what I mean. Everyone thinks they know because that is what non scientific press has being saying. But we don't know! And 10 years ago there was not enough rigorous scientific evidence for CAS to be able to rule. There is now... CAS is being challenged on procedural grounds. That too will pass!

Yep! It was intended to be! I am pretty pissed off at all the posts about Semenya. Lots of people bitching about it with little understanding - as in it really is not known fully what CSs standing is, all sorts of assumptions have been made from the information available. Google it, the most is "believed to have hyperandrogenism" Not publicly known to be anything!

Yes, it does 'suck' I am sure you must have got that I don't like it from my post. But I don't think armchair vilification is the way to go! I do think allowing CAS and the IAAF to make their case to the Swiss court and to put the ban back in place is a good start. More will follow, inevitably, as the research into intersex and sport has not ended!

And was known, at least 10 years ago. Recently enough to be aware of previous cases, investigations and knowledge.

Which just shows how little you understand how elite sport works!

That’s quite patronising. We understand and we think it sucks.

Caster’s condition is known, as many threads have made super clear.

I give in! CS didn't always know she is male, XY (and it isn't that simple or certain as we, the public, do not know). That's the point I was trying to make - chromosomes and presentation plus being born poor in S Africa. Not a usual set of circumstances.

At no point in her career has CS competed outside sport's law. The law is being changed because of her, Duttee etc etc and CAS and the IAAF are still working on it.

It’s certainly not something so advance that couldn’t have been sorted 10 years ago. Which just shows how little you understand how elite sport works!

There are quite a few intersex athletes competing at the moment. CAS has to have the science behind any changes in the law. 10 years ago CS's test results threw up a whole host of questions and research into them began pretty quickly. The scientific understadnings from those studies is now informing the changes in law. Those laws have to cover all variants and it will take more time as each is researched to find what, if any, benefit they confer on a wide variety of sports.

none of this is her fault (I now, I should say he, but female socialisation is a bitch!)! Anyone would try to protect their career, especially given the effort athletics takes.

I disagree. Plenty of people protect their career by doing things they know are wrong. Caster knows they have an advantage and has known a long long time, is completely unrepentant and shows no concern for the women who miss out because of them.

CS and CS's managers have known for years that CS is XY.

But not a cheat! Just an athlete with an unusual start in life, an oddity of chromosomes and being at the forefront of medical science and sport.

Not matter how belligerent or unpleasant an individual CS is, none of this is her fault (I now, I should say he, but female socialisation is a bitch!)! Anyone would try to protect their career, especially given the effort athletics takes.

Thankfully sport science is providing the evidence CAS needed and, if CAs can provide the Swiss court the correct paperwork, CS will be see the ban put back in place... with further to come, hopefully. The IAAF don't seem to eb very impressed with the legal route taken, so they will probably push back more than they would otherwise have done!

ALL of which will have knock on effects for all men wishing to complete in women's sports. It may fuck up next year's Olympics, but if the wider public see it on their tv screen there will be no denying the ludicrousness of TWAW... I have some small hope of that being a loud death knell, a fairly final nail in the coffin!

Note: some small hope, I am not totally deluded!

Well, it just proves the idiocy of the decision to only block CS from the women’s 800m. The ban should have covered all women’s events. And now the whole world can see the idiocy of this decision.

"I am not an idiot, why would I take drugs? I am a pure athlete, not a cheat.”
Caster you’re an athlete with XY chromosome who lives as someone with XY chromosomes but competes against those with XX chromosomes.