Guardian editorial

Interesting to hear your perspective Alias. It would be great if more men were willing to call out the anti-woman bias in the media. The (actual) brave & stunning women currently fighting this are subject to extreme abuse.

The Guardian has closed comments on all articles that deal with sensitive or controversial issues - so anything to do with feminism, racism, Israel, trans rights etc. I think that's partly to do with the moderation load (these articles used to attract a huge volume of comments) and partly, as you say, because so many commenters disagreed vehemently with the Guardian's editorial line. Sadly, articles on feminism used to attract loads of misogynists and articles on racism used to attract loads of racists.

I do think the Guardian really needs to wake up to what the majority of its readers think about their appalling anti-woman bias. Maybe they genuinely don't realise how many female readers and older readers have stopped buying the paper in disgust. Maybe they believe that appealing to people who think like Owen Jones is the way to go - though I'm pretty sure that the people who like Owen Jones spend all their time on Twitter and haven't forked out £2.50 to buy a copy of the Guardian in their lives.

I also note comments are not open for this piece, as usual

The Guardian never allows comments about trans issues these days, which is very revealing. They know that the majority of their readers aren't buying the 'stunning & brave' propaganda, and that women have legitimate concerns, but they are suppressing debate.

It will cost them readers.

They really believe Julie Bindel wants to exterminate people. And because someone is "Non binary" they get a free pass to be violent.... Jeeezus.

I like the editorial tbh

"The argument between trans activists and feminists regarding proposed legal reforms has unfortunately become extremely bitter. Both groups feel their identities and beliefs are threatened by each other."

Women are having their identities threatened; TRAs are having their beliefs threatened.

A belief isn’t an identity. It is not, and should not, be protected.

Hello
I've just signed up here after lurking for a few weeks.
I'm male, I've been buying the Guardian for 30 years, and what brought me here was the paper's reporting of transgender issues and women's spaces.
I don't mind when they publish stuff I disagree with, but I don't believe the paper is honest anymore - they won't open comments on trans articles, they don't publish stories that are negative (though true!) about trans people, they won't even support their own long-time writer when she is physically attacked.
Thank you to Mumsnet and all its contributors. I finally feel like I'm learning something and hearing the opinions of women .. you know, actual women with vaginas and stuff.
I still cannot quite bring myself to buy the Times, but the Guardian won't be getting another penny from me either. I'll be reading it for the sports pages (I'm still a bloke) and the few remaining trustworthy columnists.
Thanks once again, and please keep up your crucial work.

Most of the hostility towards women is coming from the left. The Guardian included.

The Guardian is not the left. It is a hardcore anti-left paper.

There is already an existing thread for issues as they relate to the Guardian. Maybe it would be better if all posts were made there - save clogging up the forum, and making it easier to locate Guardian related talk?

Notbad...they are brilliant aren't they. A bit like DM comments at their worst. Actually coming to think about it, DM comments are improving as if their readership has become more rational.

New theory..the more batshit DM readers have migrated to the Guardian.

Popchyk

That thread is utterly bonkers. I mean beyond normal Twitter bonkers. Both sides of the debate calling the Guardian a hateful rag. A libellous post about Julie Bindel claiming she “literally want trans people to die”.

This is what happens when you take an editorial stance then try and shift it. You end up pissing everyone off. I hate them. I’ve been moderated onto the naughty step (pre-moderation) for expressing nothing but concern about women’s rights. If newspapers reported facts and didn’t act like a propaganda machine they wouldn’t have this problem. The question is, do they see it as a problem? The enlightening thread about their financial backers throws an interesting slant on that.

What I don't understand is how we on one side can see that daily The Guardian has pro trans stories and the TRAs are suggesting The Guardian is completely transphobic. It just shows that they throw the term around with absolutely no basis.

I was left feeling a wee bit sorry for Katie Hopkins. My guess is that none of the people involved in the various events read what she writes. So a bit of a stretch to allocate blame to her.

I registered with The Times for a limited number of articles after Speaker's Corner. Soon after that I subscribed and it's well worth it.

The Guardian is full of misogynist, lesbophobic crap and I don't know how Hadley Freeman stands working there.

I could not figure my way through the word salad. Agree with them or not, Times journalism is clearer.

The usual subjects squawking about transphobia in The Guardian Twitter feed.

twitter.com/guardian/status/1138144313517453312

The tags on the piece are revealing:

Topics
LGBT rights / Opinion
Birmingham / London / Transgender / editorials

No lesbian, women, anything like that...

Apart from all the fucking off they (The Guardian) can do, that ridiculous bit about identities has given me the absolute radge.

Being female is an actual material reality, not a feeling in your head or a costume you can choose - it's not a fucking made up identity.

Women are oppressed through the material reality of their sexed bodies, they cannot identify out of it.

Feck off Guardian.

Mealy mouthed platitudes from a once great newspaper.

Cancelled my Guardian readership a couple of years ago as they repeatedly censored women and manipulated the news, rather than reporting it. I'll never go back.

And funny how the blame is put at the feet of right-wingers and populists.

Most of the hostility towards women is coming from the left. The Guardian included.

Get your own house in order.

Still insisting it’s a clash of “identities” - no it fucking isn’t

I read the Guardian for 20 years. I wouldn't wipe my arse with it now. Obviously they have masses of new readers and can afford to piss off people like me. Oh wait....Hopefully they'll go bust soon.

Surprised that they even mentioned Julie Bindel though.

I'm surprised they used the word lesbians.

"Hostile public discourse" of which The Guardian has been a leading exponent in their hostile public discourse against women. Zero reflection from them in their own part in this. Owen Jones personally has been responsible for much of the hostile public discourse.

Surprised that they even mentioned Julie Bindel though. They'll get flak for that.

I've been done with The Guardian for 2 years, after buying it for 30 years.

Won't be going back.

Any efforts to reach an accommodation deserve support.

Yeah. No. Fuck off you cavilling, complicit cockwombles.