Kitty Holland of the Irish Times declaring Jean Hatchet’s upcoming ride for murderec women transphobic

"Some women are far better feminists than some women especially than terfs"
Is Kitty trolling?

Yes, and playing to the gallery for pathetic woke points.

If we were being kind (that old female problem) we could think Kitty is merely naive and uneducated. However, I'm not inclined to be kind any longer.

So we have a situation where a group of people are threatening another group of people who won't let them in, although the first group belong to a sector of society which has high violence levels against the second group. If a bunch of Purple People had threatened me and my family, and then they banged on my door to be allowed into my house, would I be a 'bigot' for not letting the Purple People in? In my world, that's common sense, not to mention self-preservation.

Kitty Holland calling women terfs
And centring men as being better feminists

What a total idiot she is

Brain left body to sit on sidelines there it seems

How can I find out more information about Jeans bike ride? I’ve just liked Jeans Facebook page but it doesn’t seem active. Is there a separate charity one please? I’m in Leeds and would love to get involved to help organise and participate. Thanks

Kitty Holland just used a misogynistic slur to state why men can be better feminists. Is she actually being serious? She shouldn’t get away with talking like that.

It is so telling that women dont care if transwomen want to run their own events. Or have conferences for example on transwoman health. Women never try to muscle in or cry discrimination of any kind.

"Some women are far better feminists than some women especially than terfs"
Is Kitty trolling?

They want to appropriate the 2 women a week statistic for themselves. It is ghoulish. Narcissism revels in victimhood.

And another one

Sorry here's the screen shot

Not sure if this is related to what Kitty is saying about Jean but I'd have a guess that it is

This is this transwoman from Ireland who made the threat/incitement of violence against Jean Hatchet.

This is the exact reason that Jean doesn't want people like that joining her event. This is the exact reason women don't don't want people like that in women's spaces.

The event is women only because it is for women who have been murdered by men. Women who are taking part may have been vistims of male violence, sexual abuse or DV - and do not want any male people there.

Threats of violence from transwomen simply make Jean's point for her.

If TRAs want to do something similar for murdered trans people, why don’t they? Why try to hijack Jean’s plans? Ah, because then that would be letting women have something just for themselves, and that can’t be allowed.

Indeed. Apart from the inconvenient little statistic that Transwomen are more likely to be the aggressors than the victims. And we wouldn't want any facts making their way into the argument would we?

If you click on the words you see the pictures....

Re a remark earlier in the thread about a spat between Posie and Jean, AFAICR that didn't come out of the blue, and Posie was the one being piled on by various people, for having shared a platform with right wing organisations. An unfair pile-on, women have no allies we can trust, and will be criticised no matter who we take support from, or what we do.

Exactly.
Win win

And making tea and sandwiches us a very womanly role too - even better.

I like the suggestion of making tea and sandwiches.
It's a very important role.

Why don’t TW organise their own ride? They can have images of all the TW murdered in the uk last year. I’m sure lots of allies would support them.

I am waiting for the first trans women to organise their own ride to raise money for murdered transwomen. Surely that would be feasible? Or are they too busy tweeting misogyny to get off their arses?

I completely agree Jessica. If it was the right of men to 'live as women' they were really backing they wouldn't be advocating violence towards post op transexuals who actually support women's sex based rights.

Awful for Jean and everyone else involved, but massive amounts of revealing sunlight. Explaining why women riding for murdered women is transphobic couldn't be more effective in exposing the misogyny.

And yes.

I don't know. But here's another genuine question: what kind of nobhead would want to do that when they've been asked not to?

We all know the answer to that.

I note Flaps screenshot has gone now too, but it was definitely there before...

That's weird. Trying again.

I think MN images are wobbly at the moment. Half the time, I can only see that one exists, not what it is.