Owen Jones looking to take on Janice Turner

He is listing alternative charities for people to support instead of NSCPP?

I'm pretty sure that when the Amnesty sexual exploitation scandal hit, he encouraged everyone to keep supporting them.

Yuck.

Agree that support for Janice would be great. Have done my bit. The comments. Jeez. Depressing and bewildering.

I doubt that the NSPCC's decision had anything to do with Janice.

Their statement made perfectly clear that they frowned on celebrities making unilateral announcements about positions they may or may not have at the charity. That is just a sensible safeguarding measure. Monroe also asked kids to message directly, now that is seriously wrong.

They certainly do, callmekalinda

Ha ha ha. Sorry, Barnados! Which is not a quasi government entity, which I understand NSPCC is. But both have poor judgment in choosing their ambassadors.

Callmekalinda surely Melinda Messenger wasn't the ambassador to Barbados?

I’m not on Twitter, but Janice is getting a lot of negativity. Anyone there might want to give her some support.

He has blocked so many people that he will be the last person in the UK to realise what is going on. It's quite funny actually. The longer he carries on with his unhinged rants, the better. When the Guardian finally sees sense and sacks him, he'll be lucky to get a job at The Canary.

I'd be amazed if the Times' legal team didn't approve the JT article before it was published, to rule out any potential libel. They're not stupid, they know the trans lobby is super litigious and that JT has been a past target. I think it would be good if they did sue or start a campaign against JT, they will be the ones who look like fools, and more light will be shed on the nefarious nature of this lobby.

I'm sure Rose of Dawn and Miranda Y will have some interesting insights on this latest debacle.

Re Melinda Messenger. According to her Wiki page, she was made an ambassador to Barbados by the Duchess of Cornwall. No mention of NSPCC involvement. While she definitely spent much of her career in glamour model mode, latterly she reinvented herself as a TV presenter and "professional mum", which, I assume, made someone think she was suitable for the Barnados role, which she was awarded in her late 30s. Not sure you can compare that to MB, who is very much still in glamour model mode, and whose expertise in children seems to be confined to having been one once.

Thanks, Blooper, I didn’t know that. I don’t know why he’s blocked me either.

RedToothBrush

That is an excellent point! How I wish we could move past all the smoke and mirrors and return, somehow, to proper journalism.

Jones generates income from clicks. He needs attention from clicks otherwise he has no career and no income. He is the product, and he has to try and stay relevant because he's the marketable thing. Not an issue.

Oh! This is so on point!

A capitalist tool! Generating income / profit for a capitalist employer.

I gather a very real womanly lawyer is also desperate to go after JT-they were sniffing around for evidence of wrong think. in-between spa sessions.

I wish OJ hadn’t blocked me on Twitter so I could watch this play out.

If you log out of twitter, you can view public accounts such a Little OJ's ;)

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Flying Monkeys (The Narcissist’s Tool for the Smear Campaign)
by Inner Integration
May 13, 2018
(extract)

"So the role of these flying monkeys is first of all abuse by proxy.
Abuse by proxy is when the narcissist gets other people to abuse you. That way the narcissist gets to abuse you but through these people. They’ll reject you, they’ll make you feel not good enough, they’ll shame you, maybe they’ll put you in a bad situation, they’ll tell you that you’re crazy, things like that. This way the narcissist looks like the one that’s clean. They’re not involved.
The flying monkeys are also used to spread rumors and gossip.
This is one of their most prevalent roles. They are addicted to gossip. Usually these people go around and spread rumors and gossip that they heard.

Flying monkeys do the narcissist’s bidding. That’s what the smear campaign is, is they’ll do whatever the narcissist wants. The narcissist wants them to go out and talk badly about you and spread lies about you or the narcissist wants them to outright abuse you or to make you feel like you don’t belong. Or maybe they invite you to a place where they know something horrible is gonna happen for you and you’re not going to be comfortable there, those sorts of things.

Flying monkeys make the narcissist feel like they’re important and special. They help the narcissist feel like they’re grandiose, like they have high status, like they’re famous or a celebrity, which is what the narcissist wants to feel. Narcissists often have a whole entourage around them just like a celebrity needs an entourage in order to feel secure about themselves.

So who can become flying monkeys?
There are two different categories of people.

The first category is the naive.
The naive are people who are just clueless. They can’t see it, they can’t fathom it, they’ve never been through anything like that, so they can’t even imagine that somebody would do such a thing to just make up all these lies about you and spread them across town. They just can’t even fathom that a human would do that or maybe the naive is also the fawning type.

This is the type of people who when faced with a fight or flight dilemma, they choose fawning instead where they just melt into into a strong, dominant personality to feel safe and they don’t realize what’s happening. You might have noticed that even you became one of these flying monkeys when you were in your naive state before you woke up, before you figured out what was going on.

The second category of people who can become flying monkeys are the toxic.
These are the people with no boundaries. They love gossip and drama, they’re addicted to that stuff. They have an integrity problem and usually they want something from the narcissist. They want status, they want flattery, they want favours. They’re getting something out of the narcissist, which is why they’re willing to do their bidding." (continues)

medium.com/@OwnYourReality/flying-monkeys-the-narcissists-tool-for-the-smear-campaign-798daf7a59c0

Fascinating to see who's coming out all guns blazing (& without having considered the situation) for Munroe Bergdorf.

He gets very tetchy when journalists remind him that he's paid to write an OPINIONS column and has no background, training or experience of reporting, investigating, or fact-checking.

I just really like this being pointed out. And repeated. As much as possible.

Janice knows that when Owen starts screeching, it's cos she's scored a hit. She doesn't need to engage. Mr 1984 wants her to engage because if she does she is following his narrative and is getting into the realms of comment rather than sticking to the story and following the issue.

This is largely where the media has failed over the last 10 years. The more the likes of Guardian and the BBC have indulged in 'personality news' aka comment - which is generally cheaper because its less labour and lawyer intensive the more the media has weaken in its role of holding power to account.

So when you hear the wails of Jones, you know its because actual journalism has been doing its job.

Jones generates income from clicks. He needs attention from clicks otherwise he has no career and no income. He is the product, and he has to try and stay relevant because he's the marketable thing. Not an issue.

I wish OJ hadn’t blocked me on Twitter so I could watch this play out.

I normally love a good Twitter spat but a keyboard battle about the safeguarding and welfare of children just feels all kinds of off to me. I think on this occasion, Janice Turner is wise to stay silent. The more Owen Jones sounds off, the more he shows his ignorance.

His mum is a university lecturer, not a teacher. Can't get more middle class than an academic

I suspect there is an awful amount of insecurity and inadequacy going on here.

Owen gets off on attention seeking. Turner gets awards.

A Journalist v a Columnist

One slightly curious element of OJ's hounding of Turner for working for a right-wing paper is that she is the daughter-in-law of the late Guardian editor, Peter Preston. Preston was very highly thought of by the Guardian staff and in journalist circles generally. One suspects that OJ is a little jealous of her connection to Guardian royalty. (Apart from which, she has much strong working-class credentials than he does - her mum was an actual cleaner, rather than a teacher - which must be very galling for him.)

A Journalist v a Columnist...

... Get your popcorn, someone is gonna get his arse whooped.

Aye, Haworthia, it's all a bit of a mystery.

I think the problem here may be that some people are only capable of seeing the transitioner as a "vulnerable" person rather than the wider context of a situation.

This happened earlier this year, when some people only saw an American transitioner as a "vulnerable" person rather than the fuller context of a person who was working to eliminate the rights of women and girls in America.