Left wing men hate women as much as right wing men

Many men on the liberal left assume they are always "on the right side of history" whatever they do. They don't need to really analyse or look at themselves, or become conscious of their own attitudes and expectations.
This 100%

This is a thread on what Jon Ronson was saying recently. twitter.com/sarahstuartxx/status/1137136862139731969?s=19

And this is a very disturbing thread on porn with a little on Jon twitter.com/SuzzanBlac/status/1137718569427447809?s=19

I'd love to hear Ron Swanson take on all of this.

“I don’t consider myself an anything ’ist, but my life has been shaped by powerful women. My father once told my mother woman was made form the rib of Adam and my mom broke his jaw.”

“My Uncle Lon once tried to open a door for my mom and she burned down his ice house. No small feat if you think about it.”

I don't disagree, but I would say the same thing from a different angle, which is I think that assholes and non-assholes inhabit the right and left in about equal numbers.

I listened to Jon Ronsons Last days in August podcast, about the death of a pornstar, and I felt it explored porn responsibly. He allowed the women in porno a voice, and their voices initially said it was all A OK and a choice of career.... then revealed the events that led to those choices and laid the blame at the feet of abusive men.

I'm very confused what's happened here

last time I saw his account a couple of days ago, he was saying that he'd been making statements about porn and wasn't advocating it

now his account has been locked - but he has had issues in the past with fake accounts in his name.

so what's going on? it is very disappointing if he turns out to be a misogynist as well.

They will never truly support the dismantling of a system that benefits them. They might let you play pretend at progress if you're lib fem enough about it, but if anything lib fems do every gets close to true structural change their male "allies" will turn on them overnight.

THIS.

If men were being abused/raped/less pay etc at the rate women were, it be an national epidemic. As it's women, it's just a meh reaction.

As I got older I realise nothing is going to change. If anything we are going backwards.

Same wood different veneer.

Came across a young woman once who had just joined the SWP. she said that they automatically assumed she'd make the tea and stuff at meetings

Had a friend who used to volunteer with the Irish Green Party, said EXACTLY the same thing.

I think they hate us more, to be honest. I'm sure it's no coincidence that there still hasn't been a female leader of the labour party.

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Some MP's are making noise though, Joan McAlpine, Joanna Cherry, Jess Phillips off the top of my head. We do need more to be brave though.

M.P.’s to make some noise.

You'll be waiting forever if you expect them to care en masse, they won't care and they never have.
The public are slowly realising they don't have to follow, and they can make noise, it's happening far to slowly, but it's happening.

This is basically why I don't care if men hate feminism or think it's unkind/misandry/gone too far blah blah blah. They will never truly support the dismantling of a system that benefits them. They might let you play pretend at progress if you're lib fem enough about it, but if anything lib fems do every gets close to true structural change their male "allies" will turn on them overnight. Being a male feminist (especially for celebs/ politicians) is like having a rainbow in your twitter bio or wearing a poppy once a year. If making token eco gestures is "green washing" and making everything rainbow themed for pride month is "pink washing" then being a male "feminist" is I-don't-know-what washing. Fem-washing? The popularity of liberal feminism amongst men and the hatred for radical feminism was my first and brightest clue that radical feminism was the one that might actually be effective! I have no interest in educating men on women's rights or trying to win their heart and minds - if they really cared we'd have true equality already. Men have all the power, all the leverage, all the money - the only reason they aren't using it to truly liberate women is because they don't want to. That's why I wish everyone would stop wasting their time arguing with woke beards on Twitter. Men don't care, they don't see us. Literally - people have been joking that men can't tell if their wife got a hair cut for years, but nowadays lots of men can't even see the difference between women, blow up dolls, sex robots, men with prosthetic breasts, and who the fuck knows what else. I'm not interested in trying to convince men, just women. They're the ones who need to wake up and break free (on this, but also in general).

To those of you who are going to waste an hour arguing with men on Twitter tonight, please take that energy over to the relationships board instead where I guarantee some poor woman needs to hear that yes, it was "real rape", no, it wan't "just a push", of course he should be paying his share, and here's a link to the Freedom Program. Let the woke beards waste their own time.

Sorry - jo public

Yes. I’m still waiting for someone somewhere in politics to pull it out of the fire for women and children. I’m a life long red but not at the moment. I can’t see any organised fight back. It feels so strange to have no political home. But I think now the more I read about this I’ve been duped, and I never had one anyway. I was just on the outside of the rabbit hole. I imagine there are lots of quiet private conversations amongst M.P.s who are GC. And to be honest I think no public is in the majority. But this is occupation by stealth. We need this to get more and more public and for M.P.’s to make some noise.

I'd love to hear Ron Swanson take on all of this.

Men tend to redefine misogyny and feminism so that they can call themselves feminist and not misogynists regardless of what the do, think and say.

I don't think YABU.

I wish I had never woken up to the level of misogyny. It's another of those things you can't unsee once it's become apparent.

I torment myself by reading the responses on Twitter to news stories etc about women. I know most of them will be MRAs, incels but it's depressing to see the hatred.

I often have to think is it Jon Ronson or Ron Johnson?

As long as no-one starts on Ron Swanson- he's one of the good guys.

The old Socialist Workers and Workers Revolutionary Party members were, and are focused on the idea of the noble male working class. They instinctively view everything through this lens. Came across a young woman once who had just joined the SWP. she said that they automatically assumed she'd make the tea and stuff at meetings, and it ended up with her having to teach them about women's rights.

Er, the SWP rape-cult didn't just expect she'd make the tea, they much more expected she'd lie back and think of England mother Russia whenever they wanted it.

OP, correct.

Misogyny can be amply found across the political spectrum, men keep us underfoot by having us believe we have it best with them (and whatever their political preferences happen to be).

We are our own sex class and the male politics we know was never built to serve us.

I used to work for a trade union and they were a bunch of raging misogynists which was somewhat disappointing. I was completely anti-Thatcher but after meeting this bunch of men it made me laugh so much to know that they had to suffer (and having a woman in charge would have made them suffer) under a woman Prime Minister for eleven years. It must have killed them.

I always suspected Jon Ronson was a wrong 'un so this is unsurprising.

On the other hand, I'd always vote on the left, because leftist polices like anti-poverty or the social safety net, do benefit women, as we are the majority of the poor and carers for the vulnerable. For example when Tony Blair's government introduced the minimum wage, two thirds of the people it benefited were women.

Left wing men only care about women's issues as a stick to beat the right with.

This rings true to me in many cases. (Naturally NotAllLeftieMenAreLikeThat )

When I was 17 I went out with An Anarchist. He was very preoccupied with his image as a spiky-mohawked Speaker of Truth. He also didn't seem to include women in his brave new world of communal bliss, as he treated his girlfriends like total shit.

I recently tracked him down on Twitter to see what had become of him 20 years on: lo and behold, he was calling people 't*rfs' and doing the princely sum of fuck all with his life. He's since been permanently banned (I know, I could believe Twitter banned him either).

Is anyone able to confirm Dr Louise Raw's stance on gender? She is a vocal and respected leftie so would be really interested to know if she is gender critical and how it aligns with the politics currently going on