People ARE aware and thinking about the trans agenda. And they don't like it.

I've ranted to almost everyone I know about this tbh and they all get it. I was anxious at first because of the toxic climate of fear thing, but decided in the end that everyone is afraid to speak because they assume they're the only one. Which was the point of making everyone afraid of course. So now I try and bring it up with everyone I know - not in an aggressive way, I usually connect it to a news story. The DF Mermaids training story last week happened right before I saw my woke-beard BIL who I had assumed was a lost cause, but as he's a teacher I thought it was a good "in". He was shocked to hear it and said he's got some trans/ NB kids in his classes and he didn't actually get it. Said he'd been thinking a lot about the born in the wrong body idea and how it sqaured with his beliefs on dualism. He's still in denial about how deep the toxicity and corruption goes, but I'll get him. My SIL on the other hand, who has almost secondary school aged kids and is very into defying stereotypes, peaked in nanoseconds over the jellybaby spectrum. Everyone in my social group has got it right away, but I definitely don't live in a woke area. It's a very poor area, not much work, not great schools, lots of crime etc. Everyone has got too many real problems to angst over their gendah.

My mum was in a clothes shop in mid-Wales and heard the two female shop assistants talking in Welsh and realised from the odd english words that they were talking about trans craziness. As she was paying for her things she said I hope you don't mind but I couldn't help hearing what you were talking about, and I totally agree with you... The three of them then had a chat about 'how it's all gone too far'.

I went to a Guilty Feminist Live Show and there was a bit where they had a few local charities to speak. The section about a trans charity was weird, with a transman briefly explaining the charity, as the atmosphere got very odd and a lot less fun. ... Like hundreds of people wondering unspoken things.... And the other charity was a domestic violence charity who supported womens shelters, so that was kind of awks. There was a whole load of massively unanswered questions around the whole segment.
There was a great lesbian musician in support but for all her insistence that transphobia was wrong and if only she could go back and tell her teen self wearing boys clothes was fine... we had just been all being encouraged to give money to an organization who encourages teenage girls to think that if they like boys clothes then they aren't fine. All the women I went along with agreed it was a moment of excruciating cognitive dissonance.

It’s great to hear so many individual stories of connections being made and women feeling the relief that we’re not alone.

LordPickle I disagree with you however that a gender critical belief is not compatible with a liberal political philosophy, any more than being atheist does. So many core tenets of liberal politics are being trashed by the current brand of violent, aggressive trans rights activists - freedom of speech, freedom of association - I do not see trans rights activism as it is today as a truly liberal movement. It is steeped in patriarchy, misogyny and homophobia, rape culture, silencing those who dissent (the very definition of bigotry) - they practice everything they decry, and most of them can’t even seem to see it. It is not liberal, and your opposition to it does not make you illiberal (if that’s a thing!).
Really the term ‘liberal’ has been appropriated along with everything else. Repackaged and sold back to us.

Hi all, posting for the first time. Been thinking of joining for a while but as the Trans thing is (hopefully) about to peak, I'm bursting to get involved in conversations about it. Like most of you, I don't really talk about it IRL, except ranting to my husband about how harmful it is to children (he agrees wholeheartedly with me, he's down to earth, he's just worried I'm a tad obsessed but I've said no, not obsessed just very aware and once you know this stuff you can't let it go!)

Anyway, I've had a great conversation with a mum at the school, the only one I know who is across it because she works in a bra department and has to do fittings on the odd TW. She's not happy about it but has been told that if they present as women, they must be let into the fitting room, even if the other patrons are uncomfortable. But we've been worried about what they'll be teaching our Y5 kids for Sex & Relationship Education. At the parents evening we were so relieved that the school haven't bought into any of it, literally not going near the Gender Agenda! Honestly, we were elated!! So I have one mum to confide in at the school and you've no idea how good that feels.

Also, I had a couple of my female neighbours/friends round for wine on Friday night. The subject came up and it was like a damn bursting!! Anyway, we hammered a couple of bottles and talked all night, got so much of the bullshit out of our systems and, well, I've been feeling empowered ever since. I still daren't mention it or post anything on FB, through fear of being unfriended left right and centre but at least I have some allies now. :-) Sorry for the long post, hope I haven't bored you!! x PS Thanks for starting this thread. x

Hi all, I rarely contribute to these threads but I'm a long time lurker and definitely credit the feminism boards with opening my eyes about these issues. I peaked last year but I don't bring it up around my very liberal, Corbyn-loving colleagues because they're all men and it seemed pointless.

Just a few weeks ago, they were discussing who is the most liberal in the office and they decided it was me. I told them that I don't agree with everything the left is embracing so it's definitely not me. They wanted to know what I meant so I went for it and made my case regarding women's rights being eroded and allowing children to transition, etc etc etc.

I was quite nervous because I definitely expected some push back but they all completely agreed with me and brought up sports and other scenarios as well. It ended up being a great conversation and I realised that a lot more people have common sense than I thought.

My children think it's hilarious to say indignantly 'Did you just assume my gender?' which is not something I've taught them.

My 13yr old does the same with her friends and then they all start laughing.

My teen daughter told me a female friend texted her saying "Just to let you know, my name is now Bob and I'll be using he/him pronouns now."

My daughter said to me "Fuck that. What a pretentious cow." She has no time at all for it, and even went into a little rant about how Bob wouldn't be using 'he/him' pronouns any more than usual, because if Bob talked about themselves in the third person everyone would point out what a twat Bob was.

I take full credit for this and I am very proud.

This is the frightening thing. Children that haven't even been taught any basic biology are getting the mermaids trope shoved down their throats.

I assume that’s the plan. Get them when they’re too young to understand it’s bullshit. They started in secondary and have realised it’s too late so going after the primary kids now.

On a whim, I just asked Google assistant what a woman is and she said adult human female And a female is of the sex that bears young....

Hearing this is so helpful for me. My dd30 taxes m for being on transphobic Mumsnet. And encourages our neice15 who lives with us in all her non binary nonsense. Please God let her start to have doubts. The situation n our house is so delicate that I darent have any conversations at all.
Oh but it will spill out. Yesterday. I was talking about dogs to someone .They told me that dachshunds get less back problems if they are not neutered until 2 years, as they need the sex hormones to strengthen their bones. I went into such a rant that we don’t offer children the same protection. She must have thought I was mad. Maybe I am. Driven mad by this bollocks.

Maybe somebody will write that story, and somehow tie it in with the TRA agenda...

Now you've set me off!

Children that haven't even been taught any basic biology are getting the mermaids trope shoved down their throats.

Children are being taught in school that they can change sex. And this at an age when they are too young to understand that this isn't possible, or to understand how sexual reproduction works.

Is it any wonder they are so keen to get this shit into primary schools? They clearly see that they need to get to children as early as possible to indoctrinate them. Too many people are waking up.

This is the frightening thing. Children that haven't even been taught any basic biology are getting the mermaids trope shoved down their throats. It's so depressing how many schools are lapping it up rather than firmly closing the door.

I hired a taxi a couple of weeks ago and heard quite a rant after I confirmed that I'd heard "about this trans thing".

It was wonderful.

Lurker here.
I do think the age thing is relevant. I recently raised the topic with DH (aged 69). I fully expected him to think it was all tosh but when I went into detail about the impact on lesbians and the role of Mermaids he was hugely interested and onboard.
I haven't summoned the courage to have the conversation with my two DSs. DS2 is 21 and has some interesting political views, but I have no idea how he would view this.
DS1(23) is a teacher, newly qualified, hugely enthusiastic about his job and very cynical about anything that isn't strictly scientific. I'd love to know how trans issues are tackled in his school but I'm very wary of saying the wrong thing.

I've had some odd little conversations in the most random of places - people in shops, that sort of thing (always initiated by the other person) along the lines of "this is weird, this can't be right, I'm live and let live, but men shouldn't be in women's prisons/sports etc".

I've made sure my DS knows the biological reality - that you can have surgery (and it's really major surgery and involves cutting your balls off and turning your penis inside out) to make your body look a bit like that of the opposite sex, and that's fine when undertaken by an adult if it's the only way to make them feel more comfortable in their own skin, but you can't actually change sex.

Sounds like a spot of particular fine parenting there, CantspellWontspell.

My DS are early twenties and tell me that "Did you just assume mah GENDAH?" in a very affected voice is a bit of a running joke in both their friendship groups.

My children think it's hilarious to say indignantly 'Did you just assume my gender?' which is not something I've taught them.

I'm on a Facebook "funny stuff" group and they are well-woke, so there are immediate cries of "transphobia" on things I'd raise a feminist eyebrow at.

Yet they will simultaneously use the "did you just assume my gender" line in anything relevant without batting an eyelid as well.

They just don't see the disconnect, they simply want to be right-on/nice/whatever it is.

My 15yo thinks it's nonsense. Her friends taking ? subject are learning about 'changing sex, being born in the wrong body', etc.

They've mentioned it to her and she tells them how ridiculous it all is, etc.

The problem is some of them are vunerable (asd) and without her refuting it with sound arguments, would just believe what a teacher tells them.

Then again, she's had many interesting conversations with school nurse, teachers, etc, because I cross out gender on all consent forms, and explain why I've done so. Leads to some interesting conversations for her, and she's happy to put her point across as she agrees with me.

This came up a work as some of us knew a young (primary age) person who is transgender. I expected my colleagues to be very supportive of the trans narrative but they weren’t. Fully supportive of the young person but also very clear that the young person was the sex they were born and parental influence was at play.

I would say the general public are broadly sympathetic towards people who are unhappy with their bodies, as they should be, but they don’t buy what the activists claim.

When they say wrong side of history they are wildly misinterpreting (or misrepresenting) what the general public believe.

I'm really glad to read all of this but it's equally terrifying that people are whispering behind hands in case of getting turned on by the woke stasi.

My children think it's hilarious to say indignantly 'Did you just assume my gender?' which is not something I've taught them.

I must admit I have not had this experience. MY two very self identified lefty friends (one ex friend..), whose whole sense of self is tied up in being left wing, are very on board with the trans ideology but cannot, however, defend any of it in conversation. One, the ex friend, admitted I had made some very good points but refused to discuss it with me any further as I 'misgendered' male sex offenders (!) ( I am unapologetic about refusing to tell women victims of male sexual violence that actually it was a lesbian sex attack). The other just goes 'aah' in a 'I never thought about that' sort of way when I ask questions or raise points, but still maintains the woke view, because to let go of that would let go of her lefty self identity,

My two boys who are in secondary don’t believe in gender ideology.

I had a lengthy discussion with my 12 year old because he is fairly gender non-conforming himself and had found some of it disconcerting as he tried to internalize it. Once we’d finished he said “thank you, thank you mum that makes so much more sense!”. Kids aren’t stupid but they are vulnerable to coercion.

My kids primary school run workshops for parents to chat about issues relating to parenting. On one regarding safeguarding, someone casually brought up something about trans and the whole discussion turned to the fact that everyone had misgivings but they felt like they couldn’t mention it. Even the workshop leaders admitted being uneasy with the training they had been given and how it relates to child safeguarding.

The relief at being able to openly discuss it was palpable.