People ARE aware and thinking about the trans agenda. And they don't like it.

I am heartened by the OP. The trouble is that political parties have an awful lot of U-turning to do on this issue and they hate doing that.

Definitely agree about the socio economic element. The two trans kids I know of at our local secondary are of woke middle class stock. No surprise at all.

I've been musing about how we never hear about so-called Indigo Children any more.

My completely untested theory is that the ultra-woke MC parents of such interesting and special progeny have decided that having the whole rainbow is far more interesting and special than just indigo.

Just read above the term "embarrassing and self indulgent".

Sums up so much of this perfectly.

A colleague who generally chortles at my feminism told me recently about how his husband had set up a meeting at work and one (female) person rocked up and demanded loudly only to be referred to at ‘they/them’.

He hadn’t actually seen it before but was quite puzzled about how you can demand everyone else had to change their language and pussy foot around.

The teacher in the wealthier area has multiple trans and NB kids in her classes, the teacher in the other area has none. They were also hypothesising that there was something socioeconomic at play.

This is my experience. My kids secondary school is not at all 'woke'. Their equalities policy looks like it hasn't been updated in about a decade. Even though I think it could do with updating (for reasons other than gender stuff) I've left well alone in this climate.

It's not unsurprising really, it's a tough school with a lot of poor/disadvantaged kids that is only just starting to pull out of special measures after many years. Nobody there is navel gazing about gender, they have too much other stuff to deal with.

In comparison I've been told the town grammar school has several trans kids.

The middle classes have always enjoyed being yooneeq and speshul. There's more conformity and 'just getting on with things' in the working classes (in my working class opinion). Philosophising, am I this or am I that, has always been discouraged. "Stop causing a fuss" was more or less my parents' motto, whereas I feel middle class parents are much more indulgent of children.

I was shocked to my core when I went to university and discovered all the blue haired, pansexual art school types. I honestly just found it embarrassing and self indulgent. I mean, I'm all for freedom of expression, but a lot of it just seemed very childish to me, I think.

Once there are more NB/trans people than so-called "cis", it'll probably go back the other way.

Re poorer/richer areas - a friend of mine was talking to two women, both of whom run very similar children's activities, but in different suburbs, one inner city (wealthier) and one less so (middle suburbia).

The teacher in the wealthier area has multiple trans and NB kids in her classes, the teacher in the other area has none. They were also hypothesising that there was something socioeconomic at play.

I don't know how that explains my working class fam, with 2 x kids suckered in wholesale, because we've got real problems, including dh nearly dying earlier this year, and always on the edge financially, but it is a correlation that more than one person, in more than one country, is making.

I've also heard it's something more prominent with white kids. Again, I don't know, doesn't hold for mine (mixed) but maybe we're outliers there too.

Being GC or pro-women does not make you "anti-trans"

What the people who use "anti-trans" are saying is that, being "pro-trans" means being "anti-woman".

Many, if not most, of us GC women advocate for third and separate spaces, services etc for all those who exclude themselves from acknowledging the reality of their sex. We are most definitely not "anti-trans" in any way; we simply will not capitulate to the demands being made by the Trans Lobby. We are "anti" the ideology of transgenderism because we don't believe a word of it.

Until recently I was firmly on the pro trans side, but have become gender critical now.

That is one of the enduring bugbears for me.
Being GC or pro-women does not make you "anti-trans".

It's a bullshit accusation handed out like so many other lies and misinformation by an agenda-driven group desperate to hide their true nature and paint other people as the baddies so they can hide in plain sight.

Women really need to start private groups with people they really know & trust, to fight this & feel stronger together.

Oh we are. WE ARE.

I haven't talked about it with many friends just because we don't get a chance to talk much and I'd rather not spend it arguing but I KNOW most of them must think it's bullshit.

Two of them posts all kinds of political stuff on their fb but never mention the lgbt stuff which is a glaring omission. I know they must just be avoiding the controversy.

One is just generally sensible and focuses on actual issues not "oh I mustn't use this word or that word."

My best friend mentioned the other day that she thinks not recording sex at birth is the stupidest thing she's ever heard.

One, we used to read the same feminist website and we both stopped because we thought it was ridiculous that 50% of the articles were about trans issues so I KNOW she cares more about women's rights than trans ones.

I live in Asia and most people here don't even know about this stuff. I have one friend who is pretty woke but he is not a dick about it and we can discuss stuff with no hard feelings.

These are all extremely left leaning liberal people in their 20s or 30s so personally I feel like most people actually think this stuff is bs.

My mum went off about it the minute she saw me after not meeting for a year. She thinks it's ludicrous. Would never have thought of her as a feminist but she was really riled up.

I realise the thread has moved on somewhat but in response to the actual OP, I don't really see how complaining about having to use certain pronouns for certain people can be construed as the group "being aware and thinking about the trans agenda". Just sounds like a standard bit of moaning to me.

Until recently I was firmly on the pro trans side, but have become gender critical now. I went along with the narrative that Germaine Greer was just out of touch, of course we should be nice to poor struggling trans women (because it is almost never trans men) who have bravely overcome their struggles.

Then I started reading more, read more about self ID and how it can be abused, realised how much social contagion there is and see men with beards and penises demanding access to women's spaces because they have a womanly feeling.

My DD is a woke, blue haired lesbian who briefly identified as non binary. She is most definitely gender non conforming in the way she dresses and interests but thankfully identifies as female again. She frequently calls me a TERF but has been shocked at some of the things I have showed her. She hates people in opposite sex relationships who identify as queer because they have straight privilege but still get to opt into the queer identities. She can't see it is exactly the same as non binary people with male bodies demanding access to women's spaces.

I came across a video a couple of days ago (sadly I can't find it again) which was promoting body positivity in women. It was a great mix of races, sizes and disabilities and then they have the women with a beard who is topless so obviously male bodied. I think once this type of crap becomes mainstream then more people will wake up.

We need to fight this. Vulnerable kids & women are being confused & damaged, taking damaging hormones & having mastectomies & ruining their lives. People who speak out are bullied, sacked, doxxed etc. Women really need to start private groups with people they really know & trust, to fight this & feel stronger together.

Bygrab As much as I have mentioned DD and her friends, I too am in a poorer part of the country and I think as well that people have bigger fish to fry like yelling leave means leave repeatedly jobs, crime, schools, football...

I'm not saying that there isn't anyone who is trans but it is perhaps more at the expected levels.

I work with a lot of young people, I'm early 30s one of the oldest people in our building.
Quite a woke, they would call it inclusive environment, pretty informal and we do a fair bit of socialising because of that and the age demographic i guess.
I've tentatively started conversations with two younger women colleagues, both not buying into it, one definitely more careful about the language she used, probably because she's at university on top of the job, the other would be very at home here and even said she would come to a woman's place meeting with me.
One of the gay men caught and joined in with conversation with feminist girl, tried to tell us we were privileged.
When I pointed out other girl has a disability and I had struggled with my gender and eating disorders he shut up, he even agreed that predatory men could take advantage.
My 9yo son knows that humans cannot change sex and I will keep making sure he knows that. He won't be brainwashed.
We just need to keep shining the light and bringing it out. Nobody really believes this nonsense.

I would have absolutely swallowed this stuff had it been around 20 (cough) years ago. I thought feminism was irrelevant. We had equality

That's the thing, though, I think. So much, for so long, has been focused on equal rights. Women moving into the workplace, and into traditionally male dominated professions etc. And yet still the the female and the feminine is not valued. Even women reject the feminine and traditional female roles.

I came across a youngish woman ( early 30's) with new born baby in pram, and her friend, walking along the promenade. I was giving out WPUK leaflets about the changes to the Gender Recognition Act. Once she realised what it was - she 'dutifully' handed it straight back to me, saying, " Being a woman is all in your head". I said, " No, it is in your body - you have a baby". Hopefully, with some time she will come to realise the true nature of her situation.

Welcome to FWR, SarahConnorFem!

I was out for a drink with a gay mate. This time last year he was a bit horrified by the "lesbian protests " at pride...... move forward a year and he's totally peaked. Literally sat there and ranted about it all. It was amazing. I just quietly nodded

What was it that 'peaked' him?

I was in the hairdressers and a woman having her hair done next to me, must have been in her eighties, suddenly mentioned to her male hairdresser (in his 60s?) about all "this transgender nonsense" and he agreed. I was so pleased how it's being talked about generally. I nearly got up to give her a big kiss!

Yup, caught up with three old friends this weekend. Only one wasn’t already totally peaked before I got to say my bit.. I was amazed!

I have two older sisters. We all met up with partners for dinner. Neither have ever said anything about trans issues and one is very Daily Mail. Without prompting one (a retired teacher) said that a boy she used to teach was now transitioning. Never had the slightest notion when she taught him that he thought he was a girl although wouldn’t have been surprised if he had been gay. Thought a few years ago he would never have thought of it. Other sister, golf club lady’s captain, had found herself playing competitively against ‘laydees’ from other clubs. Obviously not fair.