James O’Brien - ‘I categorically wouldn’t fancy a woman with a penis' **title edited by MNHQ**

@Datun

Thank you! And i do feel a bit stupid . . .

DrSusan

What does AWA stand for. I bet I'll feel stupid when someone
answers!

Anti woman activist.

Does what it says on the tin, regardless of whether it's a TRA, MRA or plain ole bully.

What does AWA stand for. I bet I'll feel stupid when someone answers!

The reality is that for whatever reason very few people are open to dating trans people.
There was a survey done a while back and the most accepting group appeared to be lesbians but, to the shock of the author of the report, they expressed a preference for trans men rather than transwoman.
For some reason, it was assumed in the article that a lesbian would be more attracted to a male presenting as a woman rather than a female presenting as a man.
If we are to believe homosexuality exists then this makes no sense.

He was actually much better on Newsnight when it isn’t about his opinion and he can still grill those appearing on the show but he wants it to be about his opinion

On his radio show he often just comes across as a sneering bully of course he will be able to put across his argument better his does this day in day out and seems incredibly pleased with himself when callers get flustered

I really dislike this type of radio typically from male presenters as so often you hear their misogyny his has often come across loud and clear and of being the embarrassing leftie metropolitan elite voice of reason

Not surprised he has come out with this statement he knows he won’t get the same backlash as he is a man and of course can reason and ask questions it’s just us woman who can’t we are then hysterical bigots when we come out with questions

Definite castration anxiety.

YY.

EweSurname I just read that. How utterly shameful of the NHS.

Shouldn’t be a problem. There isn’t a woman with a penis.

Until they affect his own personal property.

He reacted out of paternalism.

Nailed it.

At 2.38, it sounds like he says, "I did say we weren't going to touch on trans issues". He wasn't expecting, and had specifically sanctioned against this type of discussion. He only allowed it because to do otherwise would have made him the aggressor against a lesbian in distress. His final words about transpeople being also victimised puts him back on the fence, where he will sit until this all plays out, when women have done the hard yards and either won or lost the fight. Then he will claim that he was on the right side of history all along.

James said he's going to look up Julie Bindel. He could start with this piece by JB about Janice Raymond's 1979 book The Transsexual Empire:
unherd.com/2019/04/the-transsexual-empire/

One of Raymond’s transsexual interviewees, quoted in TTE, proclaimed: “Genetic women are becoming quite obsolete, which is obvious, and the future belongs to transsexual women. All you have left is your ability to bear children, and in a world which will groan to feed 6 billion by the year 2000, that’s a negative asset.”

Recently published research on the ‘cotton ceiling’ phenomenon found that significant numbers of lesbians have encountered bullying and sexual harassment by ‘trans lesbians’.Reading the chapter, “Sappho By Surgery”, it’s hard not to think [Raymond] must have a time machine: she writes that men who asserted they were women would also claim to be ‘trans lesbians’ and expect access to natal women’s bodies.

That Paris Lees interview with Nick can now very clearly be seen as the straw man argument....Paris claims that in the future this will just be dealt with as a pedriatic issue...no no no, we need this discussion taken away from children all together. There are no trans children, only children being transed.
Paris clearly had a shite start in life but that does not make them a woman.

I listened, and I think what got to James was Juliet's fright in speaking. He's a man and he heard a woman afraid, in real fear, so much that she was having trouble even breathing. He reacted out of paternalism.

He doesn't respond with a listening ear to female voices he'd call "strident." But trembling ones he does listen to.

This is the violin string TRAs have played: oooh we're so vulnerable, we can't even step outside without being beaten, all we want to do is peeeeee and we're even being denied that!

That vulnerability is now being shown to be a lie by their own violence and aggression.

A large proportion of men have never thought the term ‘woman’ actually had any meaning or content in its own right, to too many men, it only ever meant ‘non-man’.

Too right. They still see men as the default human with everyone else an also-ran.

I genuinely think this is one of the reasons the AWAs have such an easy ride among lots of male commentators, journalists, MPs etc. Men are so penis centred and addressing the keeping/removing of a penis and what that means is so psychologically difficult for them that they simply dont want to examine it to closely.

This, and plenty of men are so penis centred they cannot, and will not, see a man without a penis as a man.

And they still divide the world into ‘men’ and ‘non-men’, and a person without a penis is in their view a non-man, which they colloquially refer to as ‘women’.

A large proportion of men have never thought the term ‘woman’ actually had any meaning or content in its own right, to too many men, it only ever meant ‘non-man’.

This is James O'Brian who thinks that women are bigots for not wanting to get changed in a cubical next to him?

Yes, he was outraged that Posie didn't make a massive, inexplicable exception for him. Whilst at the same time claiming there is no way he would send his daughters into the male changing room, or even, I believe, to change by themselves.

I don't listen to him, but he comes across as as highly sexist in these instances, which is why he doesn't get the issues. Until they affect his own personal property.

Is he the one who, after speaking to Posie, spoke to a transwoman, and gave them triple the air time? His unconscious bias showing.

Have listened to it now.

What a difference to last year when the lady from here (was it Posie or was it someone else?) went on and he gave her shit for not wanting to share a changing room with a transwoman...

As an aside, whilst I do agree wrib JOB on a lot of things, Jesus, that slow paced, smug, consistently outraged voice he uses all the time - so annoying!

Juliet, if you are on here, you're a legend, thank you 😘

That comment isn’t suggesting anything about transwomen, just about men men.

Plenty of men have had sex with blow up dolls making O face so I reckon there’s a percentage of them have a very low bar for what makes a woman.

He said that he wouldn't fancy a woman with a penis and knows that this means that he can't force women to accept women with penises in their spaces as well.

I think having his daughters is probably influencing this as well.

Lol at 'woman with a pen'!

Oh dear, BFF Paris isn't going to be happy with James...

The thing is JOB may be woke as fuck, but he isn't stupid, and he is realising that he was very quickly coming across as a raging misogynist and is going to have to pick a side to come down on.

Was it Jame O'Brien who also talked about being really influenced by an interview with Owl?

(Its a distant memory from last year so not sure)

His interview with Paris Lees reminded me of Kevin the Teenager in front of his female teacher at parents’ night. It was SO untypical of him.

Its always interesting when someone finds themselves responding completely out of their usual patterns. Should cause both them & others to consider the possible patterns of behaviour by the person elucidating the response.

I wonder whether he’s rethinking a bit as his daughters get older. He was very interesting talking about his road to Damascus conversion about abortion.