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Heartbreaking - how many female babies have never made it to womanhood

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beenandgoneandbackagain · 07/06/2019 11:13

This article managed to both break my heart and make me really, really fucking angry.

too many men

The fact that it focuses on the men who are here rather than the millions and millions of female babies murdered or aborted because of their sex makes me angry too.

It's all a bit "poor men" rather than focusing on the fact that the patriarchy killing females is the root cause of their misery.

It also fucks me off when I read shit about pink / blue brains and think that these babies didn't even get a chance to identify as anything.

I don't even know if I'm looking to start a conversation about this or just find an outlet for my anger and sadness.

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beenandgoneandbackagain · 07/06/2019 13:12

I disagree with your point Cameleon The article is about killing females. Sex-selection may be banned, both here and in India, but it still happens.

Personally I don't think it matters when the females are killed - either through embryo selection, selective abortion, or infanticide. The fact that they are killed simply because they are female is the horrific undercurrent. The women "choosing" to have sex-selective abortions are not making that decision in a vacuum.

And the way the men in the story still see women as nothing more than slaves, chattels or replacement mothers (feeding/cooking/cleaning).

I guess it's the patriarchy unfettered.

Sorry - I'm probably too angry at re-reading the article to make much sense!

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camaleon · 07/06/2019 13:05

It puts identity politics into sharp perspective. These millions of females couldn't identify out of their sexed bodies.

How can you make a link between this and trans people? Have you read anything about the situation of trans in India? What are you comparing here? Where is the link?

camaleon · 07/06/2019 13:04

It's all a bit "poor men" rather than focusing on the fact that the patriarchy killing females is the root cause of their misery.

The article is rubbish and the 'poor men' point even worse. But this is not about 'killing females' unless you equalise 'selective abortion' or gender selection before implantation.

If you are a woman in India you cannot find out the sex of your child while pregnant by law. This raises all kind of issues. If you are rich you can always find out, travel abroad, use selection of sex, whatever. If you are a poor woman who cannot afford a girl/dowry, you cannot have an abortion.

If you are anti-abortion, it makes sense. If you are pro-choice, the reason why a woman decides to terminate should not be anybody's business. Or shall they have the child to remedy the gender imbalance? And get them to be called 'killers'/'feminiciders'?

There are countries such as Liechestein or Qatar with worse imbalances for different reasons.

The problem is cultural and, as usual, they are trying to control women's bodies to remedy a problem they have not caused.

Bezalelle · 07/06/2019 12:54

It puts identity politics into sharp perspective. These millions of females couldn't identify out of their sexed bodies.

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beenandgoneandbackagain · 07/06/2019 11:58

The story focuses on China and India but does mention that other countries have a similar problem. Women are being trafficked from Cambodia as slave brides, and some women from Russia are also being sold as brides though the desirability of their western features makes them seem to be treated a little better.

RickAstley I think women are seen as even less value than a bag of sugar Sad

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RickAstleyGaveMeUp · 07/06/2019 11:46

China and India.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 07/06/2019 11:44

I can’t read it because I will have a stroke. Which country though?

sar302 · 07/06/2019 11:42

All those "poor" men who can't get married now, and are having their masculinity damaged by having to step into "traditionally female roles".

My heart fucking bleeds for them.

Oh no, wait - the other thing 😡

RuffleCrow · 07/06/2019 11:39

Men are so fucked up.

RickAstleyGaveMeUp · 07/06/2019 11:35

I guess they are seeing women as a commodity, so rarity has increased the financial value of one but hasn't encouraged anyone to appreciate that they are actually people. And as with any commodity that is scarce, people are smuggling cheap alternatives through the black market. Forgetting that these are human beings, not bags of sugar.

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beenandgoneandbackagain · 07/06/2019 11:25

That makes me angry too. I would have hoped that the current situation would show that treating women as second class/disposable citizens is harmful to society as a whole, yet it seems to be leading to a doubling-down of ill-treatment of women.

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RickAstleyGaveMeUp · 07/06/2019 11:23

God. I couldn't read it to the end. It made me furious. The men are only upset because they haven't got anyone to fuck, clean up after their old people, and tell them when to take a fucking bath. And who is suffering? Poor women. Poor trafficked Cambodian women. It's disgusting.