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" By legislating on trans rights, Theresa May could leave a great legacy"

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Igneococcus · 07/06/2019 06:07

Says Pink News editor Benjamin Cohen in the Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/by-legislating-on-trans-rights-theresa-may-could-leave-a-great-reforming-legacy-db92v37dw?shareToken=9243d58b94a4f140bdadc57c649d5057

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FloralBunting · 07/06/2019 09:29

Cohen is one of my least favourite human beings. This sort of shite is why.

LangCleg · 07/06/2019 09:23

His own company, Pink News conducted research that told him how unpopular self ID is with the general public.

13% of Tory voters, IIRC!

The man is laughable.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 07/06/2019 08:22

The press must have a balanced coverage of issues so I don't have a problem with articles like this being published - even though it's disingenuous rubbish.

Sadly though, I agree with Captain Kirk - this is an exceptionally wealthy and powerful movement - aggressive, self interested with access to those who govern. I believe that they will succeed and we are in for some awful times ahead (feeling gloomy today).

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 07/06/2019 07:57

All the news outlets will fold eventually, as will most other gender critical outlets.
We're looking at a very very long take over here which will last decades.

Igneococcus · 07/06/2019 07:51

There was an article recently where I thought the moderation of the comments was weird and more severe. I can't remember which one that was now, I'm just over a migraine, brain not working fully yet. Sunday Times I think, rather than the Times. Comments that were in no way offensive were suddenly deleted. I might be getting paranoid but it didn't feel quite right.

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GCAcademic · 07/06/2019 07:23

Two pro-TRA articles in the Times today, both based on lies (the article on the Edinburgh uni resignations not mentioning that the staff Pride committee was told to stop making defamatory statements and frightening students by telling them they were unsafe on campus). I wonder if this has to do with the legal action they're facing?

OvaHere · 07/06/2019 07:18

It's laughable that he thinks most people would consider this a great legacy for TM.

His own company, Pink News conducted research that told him how unpopular self ID is with the general public.

I doubt opinion has improved with all the stuff happening in prisons, sport and the Tavistock report and whistle blowing clinicians.

Igneococcus · 07/06/2019 07:10

I wish the Times would make the authors of opinion pieces like that come back and respond to comments as a condition of publishing their writing.

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charlestonchaplin · 07/06/2019 06:50

The 2010 Equality Act DOES NOT allow anyone to self-identify their sex or gender. This is a lie that Stonewall, Mermaids and others have cynically spread around the public and especially the private sector. That is how they have got organisations like the Girl Guides to admit males.

They say that when the Equality Act says discrimination against those undergoing gender reassignment is prohibited, that means that transgender people must be treated as their desired sex. That is not what is meant by that section of the law. It means trans people shouldn’t be treated differently from non-trans people of the same sex, for example, they shouldn’t be denied promotion or sacked due to transitioning. The exception is those trans people who hold a GRC.

It envisaged that trans people with a GRC would usually be treated according to their legal sex but even here exceptions can be made if proportionate and necessary to achieve a particular aim. So it would be appropriate to exclude trans women from an female-only exercise class if the aim of the class was to improve exercise rates among conservative Muslim women, who wouldn’t attend if a male started attending, especially if other exercise classes are available.

Igneococcus · 07/06/2019 06:33

It's obfuscation, I assume.

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MsJeminaPuddleduck · 07/06/2019 06:24

.... Dominic Raab, not just voicing his opposition for a new law, but seemingly elements of the 2004 Gender Recognition Act and the 2010 Equality Act, which allow trans people to self-identify.

This is the problem with the Equality Act, it means different things to different sides. Is he meaning here the 2 year requirement to 'live in the gender of the opposite sex' (or how however it's written)?