" By legislating on trans rights, Theresa May could leave a great legacy"

In fairness, she would have a better legacy with a lot more men as "that Teresa May who ended all that women's rights nonsense" than "that Teresa May who messed up Brexit".

But if the Times think anything less than full capitulation and grovelling will do, then they have a hell of a shock coming.

Who was the penis news "journalist" who self identified into his step mum's ethnicity in order to claim a conference place?? Was it BC? I didn't imagine this did i?

Benjamin Butterworth

Not sure if they have found a trangender cat yet.

This thread made me laugh.

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The article as pernicious rubbish, but the comments were wonderful, as they always seem to be on such articles.

I did enjoy the comments.

I’m still laughing at the words ‘Teresa May’ and ‘great legacy’ appearing in the same sentence.

Who was the penis news "journalist" who self identified into his step mum's ethnicity in order to claim a conference place?? Was it BC? I didn't imagine this did i?

Oooh! I did enjoy the comments section. Very clear about the law as it actually is!

I suspect Floral was right about this being a bat signal to the Tory leadership contenders who will all subscribe to The Times.

He knows perfectly well the readership are not in his corner. If it really was meant as an opinion piece for the masses he'd put in the Guardian where the readers are more receptive and unhindered by a paywall.

Comments are good, he’s having his arse handed to him on a plate

All most of us want is good factual journalism. We will form our own opinions and though things we read will influence these, we are quite capable of hearing the views of Mr Pink News and discarding them if we don't agree. Indeed by stating an opposite case he might help us confirm and refine our own views.

I am very happy to read a variety of opinion from a variety of sources. I don't want to be told what to think. (All too Momentum.)

I suspect that we have the stronger arguments - well repeating TWAW and a few dodgy suicide statistics are hardly going to sustain a TRA view into the longer term. Therefore any considered coverage is a positive. Mr Pink News does not seem to have done well in converting Times readers.

I think the comments are the reason "The Times" is publishing this type of article. They are showing "balance" but know that their educated and informed readership won't have any of it. Comments are moderated to keep out the offensive ones but seem to allow thoughtful and not abusive - but critical - ones through.

I agree. Hats off to The Times for giving the pro-trans advocates enough (metaphorical) rope to hang themselves.

Some good comments there now.

All the news outlets will fold eventually, as will most other gender critical outlets.
We're looking at a very very long take over here which will last decades.

I don’t think it’s going to be that easy. A year or two ago you would never have read a TRA critical story, but there has definitely been an awaking amongst the population, as opposed to being ‘woke’, and more and more GC voices are being listened to. Even the universities are pulling back from banning women’s voices and permitting discussion. We may loss some battles but we will win this war to protect women and children.

I think it is absolutely right that The Times should publish articles from both sides of "the debate". Their duty is to report, not take sides. The fact that articles on, say, Mermaids, are damaging to the TRA cause and thus seen as "transphobic", matters no as long as they get their facts right (and note a large number of complaints that have not been upheld) and that they provide balance. The editor of the Pink Times will have a view on May's legacy. Up to readers to decide whether they agree or not.

Off-topic but over the past couple of days the Mail has devoted a lot of column inches to gay animals. Lesbian dogs, gay rams and so on. The Mail does not have the same desire to be the paper of record, but if this is their attempt to balance their reporting on LGBT issues, it is truly weird. Not sure if they have found a trangender cat yet.

I think the comments are the reason "The Times" is publishing this type of article. They are showing "balance" but know that their educated and informed readership won't have any of it. Comments are moderated to keep out the offensive ones but seem to allow thoughtful and not abusive - but critical - ones through.

Some comments now appearing and they're not having it. I think the reason that they still haven't responded to the consultation is that they now know what a toxic pile of shit it is and have sensibly kicked it into the long grass. Sorry TRAs you achieved this much by stealth but your cover is blown. No more. In fact we need a roll back and confirmation of sex based rights.

Cohen and co only care about the political designation when it's a tool to shut women up. Other than that, their only concern is keeping connected to the halls of power and the income streams they provide.

That's exactly what it is. It's a bat signal to say "We are still pressing for this. If you want the lobby behind you, this is the price."

Given the nature of the candidates most likely to win the Tory leadership, is the TRA movement openly allying with the far-right then? I'll remember that next time I'm told I'm far-right for thinking women have the right to say no to men.

One comment finally been approved, and interestingly it's suggesting TM won't make such a move because "She hasn't got what it takes, sadly." No other comments yet - and I guess most of these will be critical of the article, but for some reason these seem to take longer to approve!

Unless he is not really writing about Mrs May but this is a shout out to the new leader?

That's exactly what it is. It's a bat signal to say "We are still pressing for this. If you want the lobby behind you, this is the price."

Whatever the rights and wrongs of self if, I cannot believe that he is so silly as to believe it could be enacted before Mrs May stands down. Recess in the House of Commons begins in summer and MPs won’t return until after party conference. By then the Conservative leadership vote will have been completed and we will have a new Prime Minister.

Unless he is not really writing about Mrs May but this is a shout out to the new leader?

Agree with 2 pro TRA articles in the Times today, this seems to happen on a Friday. I started subscribing because of Janice and Andrew Gilligan but will stop if this sort of stuff becomes the norm. I'm not interested in the Guardian mark 2.

No comments on that article yet-Cohen is delusional if he thinks the public support self ID.