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Imperial College Womb Transplant Survey Redux

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IAmDavidLewis · 06/06/2019 16:39

Unless someone is pulling an elaborate prank, the womb transplant survey isn't a hoax. Judge for yourself at www.surveymonkey.com/r/SPKJKTB and drive.google.com/open?id=1PQuMJAkGc7jex5Kgr9EEvlIqkSmsbBGg

I saw the screenshot of the survey go past on Twitter at the end of last week. Meeting all of the criteria (on a Wednesday), I got in touch via the email address. I wasn't expecting to get a reply, but I did. It seems that Imperial College's vetting process is as robust as the average Labour Constituency Party's. Anyway, the email included a patient information sheet with such delights as:

"... gain a greater understanding of the desire, and therefore need, to perform womb transplantation as part of gender reassignment surgery" - whether a desire should automatically be turned into a need is debatable.

"It also assesses feelings of your current options to acquire motherhood..." - because women's life experiences are just trophies to be collected?

"... a cyclical regime would be given instead, to enable the recipient to experience periods." - well, I suppose spending that 20% difference in pay on tampons would only add to the experience.

"Immunosuppressive medications would need to be taken as long as the graft was in place, to reduce the risk of the body rejecting the transplanted womb. These would continue through pregnancy." - because risking the health of a baby is a-okay when you're feeling fully validated?

"... after the recipient has completed her family, the recipient will be advised to have the womb removed to minimise (cancer) risks." - yes, this is effectively surrogacy without the continued need for an uppity woman.

"You have been invited to participate because you are a male to female (M2F) transgender woman. You therefore have Absolute Uterine Factor Infertility (AUFI), a condition which affects one in 500 women of childbearing age. This may be congenital, such as in M2F transgender women..." - Umm, no. I'm male. Males can't have AUFI because we're... umm... MALE! Oh, and the cute infographic which equates trans women with women who have CAIS and MRKH is really interphobic. That it also puts me on an equal standing with women who've had a hysterectomy due to cancer is just insulting to women.

On similar lines, the included paper "Uterine transplantation in transgender women" incorrectly states that the protected characteristic of "gender reassignment" means that trans women cannot be subject to discrimination. On this falsehood, the authors then proceed to state that should womb transplantation "become an established treatment option for women with AUFI, UK and EU legislation would make it legally impermissible to refuse to perform UTx in transgender women solely because of their gender identity". Note the common trick of slipping seamlessly from the protected characteristic "gender reassignment" to the undefined term "gender identity" with no shame whatsoever.

After wading through all the BS, I did what any self-respecting, activist trans woman would do. I signed the consent form and sent it back, again not expecting a reply. And then I got the link to the SurveyMonkey survey (seriously, what is it with Woke Bros and SurveyMonkey? Could it be the lack of internal scrutiny? Nah, must just be coincidence).

To be continued...

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titchy · 06/06/2019 17:43

No I couldn't read the google docs. Eek then. Wonder if they're still regged with GMC...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:41

It will be a C-section and the womb removed so that anti rejection drugs can be disconnected I believe.

littlecabbage · 06/06/2019 17:41

Are they going to crack open men's pelvises to pass the baby's head?

Elective C-section, surely?

Ereshkigal · 06/06/2019 17:41

This is not possible, legal nor do I think there is a demand for it.'

Even if he thinks TWAW he is clearly being disingenuous in his answer to Posie. The reason it's not possible or legal is because they are biologically male.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 06/06/2019 17:39

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Haworthia · 06/06/2019 17:31

How they can talk about men suffering from congenital Absolute Uterine Factor Infertility (AUFI) with a straight face baffles me.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:30

Research costs 895
Website costs 708
Fundraising & entertaining 6,441
Travel & accomodation 2,007
Conference & meeting costs 3,497

Doesn't look like much research going on..

VickyEadie · 06/06/2019 17:29

All other 'sci-fi fantasy' aspect aside, I'm fascinated by this notion of a "transplanted vagina'.

(Goes off to marvel at the shite people are thinking about these days when they could be doing something fucking useful)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:28

The charity seems a tad poor at filing it's accounts...

apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1138559&SubsidiaryNumber=0

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 06/06/2019 17:26

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:24

The whole thing seems dodgy, the university team and the registered charity are exactly the same people.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:21

Posie has pointed out that Dr Jones is from Leeds - what is it with that place?

wombtransplantuk.org/team/dr-benjamin-jones-mbchb-bsc-hons

SpinsterOfArts · 06/06/2019 17:20

There's something extremely odd about this. The survey just seems somehow off. Even the title - 'perceptions of' rather than 'perceptions to', surely? And I'd like to think that a real researcher at Imperial would know how to spell the word atheist. The last few questions are also very clumsily worded, content aside.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:18

How the fuck did this get past an ethics committee?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:16

Like this man www.imperial.nhs.uk/consultant-directory/james-richard-smith who is principal investigator for the study

OrchidInTheSun · 06/06/2019 17:15

Not just people working in the medical field. People who have chosen to specialise in gynaecology

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:14

Posie has spoken. The researcher lied to her

I find it deeply concerning that all of these people working in the medical field are unaware of the biological differences between males and females.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:12

Our Mr Jones is also co-ordinating the study.

(Which is has been organised by the charity "Womb Transplant UK")

Ereshkigal · 06/06/2019 17:10

See the google drive for confirmation that the research is at Imperial.

Ereshkigal · 06/06/2019 17:09

Posie has spoken. The researcher lied to her:

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2567034640083167&id=100003299679086

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2019 17:09

Thanks Orchid - I knew I had seen that somewhere! Definitely looks like someone is lying.

OrchidInTheSun · 06/06/2019 17:08

What he has said in his email to Posie is 'We will never even consider performing womb transplants in men. This is not possible, legal nor do I think there is a demand for it.'

However, Ben clearly believes that TWAW.

OrchidInTheSun · 06/06/2019 17:06

You obviously didn't have a look at the Google Drive docs titchy. The first doc in there is an article published in an obstetrics journal about uterine transplants into transwomen. The author's name and address is: Correspondence: Mr BP Jones, Department of Surgery and Cancer, Imperial College London, Du Cane Road, London W12 0NN, UK.
Email [email protected]

CuriousaboutSamphire · 06/06/2019 17:06

I'm on my phone and can't read that. Is it a categorical no, it isn't us?

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