Boundaries and Allies

But Glinner is the leader of feminism Amalfi and he has declared Debbie a solid ally to women so this can all be put to bed.

If someone who self-Id's into single sex spaces, thinks female is a feeling, hangs out with Tras, compels children's speech, thinks we are their objects to move around as Barracker points out, is a 'solid ally' then what is a bad ally?

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It's in answer to glinner quote tweeting an irish women who is fed up of Aiden comberfield talking over Irish feminists. The 3 people she is talking about is glinner and 2 Irish tras comberfield and aoife Martin. All 3 of th speak over and claim to speak for Irish feminists and none of them have the faintest idea of what feminism is, especially Irish feminism

I think Fionne Orlander tweeted that they used the mens bathroom, a man even said to them, err you know this is the mens? And Fionne replied, yes I am a guy, to which the man just said, oh-yr a pretty guy. (Or words to that effect) No drama, no one was hurt, no one was invalidated.....I am really disappointed in Debbies behaviour and I would hope they will come to the conclusion that if they have any respect for women, as they claim, they will stay out of womens sex segregated spaces.

Nailed it

Notice the passive voice there?

Someone unmentioned and unnamed is the apparent architect of deciding to do some 'including'; of some males with women.
And it isn't the women, and it isn't the girls who are doing the including.
So who is the mystical decision-maker in that act, and why are women and girls apparent objects or pawns to be gathered up, ostensibly separately from men, yet then have males inserted into their midst by a master 'includer'?

Men, moving their subjects around on the chess board they believe they own, in a game they think is theirs, with pieces they believe to be passive objects.

Societies problem so all women have to hold my hand and clean up the mess! Rather sexist.

On pg. 13 of this thread Debbie says when transwomen are included with women, we need to be risk assessed differently
What, why are you different from males and why should you presume to be included with females? It is as if Debbie thinks it is clothes and stereotypes which define a woman.

but I do have a reasoned case: that although gender dysphoria is caused by society

Society makes me do it!

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It seems to be epidemic. Women are waking up all over the place.

Yes Twicemummy Hayton's play acting is anti-women, it is like wearing black face.

@AnotherLass the thing is , this is the feminist topic so centres women. I truly don't care about some blokes need to play act. Other women may find his right to do so incredibly important. This is where feminism comes in. We are not neutral. We don't balance the needs of everyone. We centre the needs of women and girls . Hence we are absolutely vilified.

That is what I understood to. Paraphilias tend to be co-morbid according to the DSMV. Debbie already takes one fetish into the classroom.

Does anyone else find it troubling that Hayton doesn't think it is a disorder or dysfunction per se for adults to be purely sexually attracted to teenagers and get a sexual kick out of age imbalance when that is the age group Hayton teaches?

Surely Hayton would have experience with how teenagers are not ready for sexual relationships with adults and therefore all adult-teen sexual relationships are exploitation.

That tweet about the imbalance of power may also be breaking the safeguarding rules of the school where dh teaches

Exceptionalism and narcissism. Does Debbie get an extra kick from it because women have said no? Is it even more satisfying for them.

"my concern is the imbalance of power in the relationship"

Your concern should be the sexual abuse of a child!

"in real life my aim is to avoid being defined as trans, and not to draw attention to it. Using the men's would make a massive issue of it."

You are as trans in the women's toilets as you are in the men's.
You draw as much attention in the women's as you do in the men's.
I can promise you, it is much more of an issue for you to use the women's than the men's.
For us.

I used to think you were an ally, once.
Now all I hear is you telling women that you totally support all our needs and boundaries, but that you are inexplicably the only exceptional male who will intentionally breach them. Through self-ID.

It makes it worse, that you claim to understand why women must retain the right to say no to men. You claim you understand. You are apparently enlightened. But you know that my child getting undressed for swimming would be as horrified by you in exactly the same way they would be with any man.

You say one thing and do the opposite.

It makes your disregard of us more brutal.

This is another one that doesn't sit well and another example of Debbie speaking out of both sides of their mouth. Sexual attraction to adolescents 'rings alarm bells' but in the next sentence isn't a problem unless there is exploitation?

I do not and will not comment on which toilets I might use

But you often do on Twitter. Laughing about using the ladies when told not to, saying you'd rather not use the gents, etc.

Please riddle me this. How can you say you fight against self Id when you are the poster boy for self id? How can you not use your "privilege" to help make space for actual feminists, ie, women? Why do you Gaslight? Why do you say one thing in public and another un private? And why did you accept the nomination of a certain KMcI to be a recipent of a fund meant for women fighting the tras, KMcI, a grifter known to you, instead of a woman who was also nominated because she's been in a refuge for the past 4 years after escaping dv with her young son? What does KMcI have on you?

Debbie this not a 'private' issue. Do you self id into women only spaces? Do you compel your students to deny reality and use female pronouns/miss? If the answer is yes to these, then you are not an ally to women.