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If you could chose sex from birth would you live as a man?

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habobobo · 05/06/2019 20:51

I realised almost every bad or difficult thing thats happened to me personally most likely wouldn't happen to a guy. So if could chose, I think I would probably chose to live life as a man. This makes me a bit sad.

How about you guys?

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NottonightJosepheen · 06/06/2019 14:26

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dwatsuts · 06/06/2019 14:23

So you fear male violence, dwatsuts, from other men.

DING DING DING! Someone gets it!

Do you think being the "beautiful woman" you said you wished you were at the beginning of this thread would protect you from that? (hint: it wouldn't).

I didn't say that.

I said that violence affects men too, and that all men take precautions when meeting new people for sex. Talk to your male friends, they will tell you about precautions they take when pursuing sex.

Sexual violence affects far more women than men, but all other kinds of violence affect far more men than women.

dwatsuts · 06/06/2019 14:21

Most women wouldn't demean and dehumanise a sexual partner as 'some chav'.

The violence isn't coming from a sexual partner.

The violence is coming from someone else who used the prospect of sex to lure a victim into a dangerous situation.

... why is this difficult to understand... ... ...?

dwatsuts · 06/06/2019 14:20

"Three tracksuit wearing yobs with knives" ?? I don't know what "sexual encounters" you're into personally

I don't know what's difficult to understand about this. I'm not saying that the sexual encounter per se is violent; I'm saying that the prospect of sex, all too often, is used to lure men into dangerous situations. We don't know whether the prospect of sex is legitimate or not because we do not have psychic powers.

You can meet a nice woman online, but the profile may be fake and it may be a man behind the profile picture, luring you into a trap. You could meet a nice woman at the bar, but again, she could be working with a gang who will attack you.

but this really is not a big risk for men in general.

It's unusual, but it happens frequently enough for it to be a concern.

There are precautions I take when meeting someone new. For example, if I met a woman on a dating website, I would only meet her in a public place, and I would tell someone else where I am. When I went to meet a friend overseas who I had been talking to online for years, I told someone else exactly where I was going and to check up on me to make sure I was OK... in this case, I was meeting a man and it was just for friendship so it wasn't sex related, but I would have taken the exact same precautions if it had been a woman. In another case, I was going to meet a woman for sex, but declined because I knew nothing about her and there was no air of legitimacy around her online profile, so it could have been anyone when I walked into her apartment... a gang of yobs, who knows.

I don't know why this myth persists that all men are 6'5'' muscle men who are never attacked because everyone is afraid of them. All people are at risk of violence, and it's important we all be careful. My mum always told me to be careful when going out, when meeting new people, etc... wise words.

ZebrasAreBras · 06/06/2019 14:20

Are you talking about....pimps...dwatsut? Lovely.

ZebrasAreBras · 06/06/2019 14:19

So you fear male violence, dwatsuts, from other men. Join the bloody club. Do you think being the "beautiful woman" you said you wished you were at the beginning of this thread would protect you from that? (hint: it wouldn't).

NottonightJosepheen · 06/06/2019 14:18

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ZebrasAreBras · 06/06/2019 14:10

Good grief, what are you on about dwat? "Three tracksuit wearing yobs with knives" ?? I don't know what "sexual encounters" you're into personally - but this really is not a big risk for men in general.

dwatsuts · 06/06/2019 14:07

After sex with a woman? Rubbish.

I never said after sex with a woman.

dwatsuts · 06/06/2019 14:06

What on earth sexual encounters are you even talking about..? What heterosexual sex encounters are landing men in hospital?

Men who have sex with men do run a risk of finding someone stronger than them who overpowers them physically or rapes them, but the chances of a man being physically overwhelmed by a female sexual partner are completely negligible, unless he's unusually short and weak and sleeping with a 6ft female Olympian.

Are you serious? If you have male friends, you should have heard about these risks.

If you meet someone anonymously, you don't know who's in her home. It could be just her, but there could also be a massive guy who beats you up and takes your money.

It doesn't matter how big or strong you are either; you could be a 6'5'' body builder, but if you're attacked by 3 tracksuit-wearing yobs wielding knives, you're never going to be able to fight them off.

Men do not fear violence or rape in their sexual encounters with women. At all.

Half right. I don't fear rape, but I definitely fear violence. When I meet people for sex, there are precautions I take to make sure I'm not walking into a dingy apartment where some chav is going to beat me senseless. There are plenty of times when I've decided not to meet someone due to a potential risk of violence.

ZebrasAreBras · 06/06/2019 14:03

they will be the victims of general violence, and could find themselves in hospital with fractures and bleeding.

After sex with a woman? Rubbish.

I can show you several high profile cases of women who have been killed by men, whose defence is "sex game gone wrong".

SoHotADragonRetired · 06/06/2019 13:57

What on earth sexual encounters are you even talking about..? What heterosexual sex encounters are landing men in hospital?

Men who have sex with men do run a risk of finding someone stronger than them who overpowers them physically or rapes them, but the chances of a man being physically overwhelmed by a female sexual partner are completely negligible, unless he's unusually short and weak and sleeping with a 6ft female Olympian.

Men do not fear violence or rape in their sexual encounters with women. At all.

dwatsuts · 06/06/2019 13:53

It's a very common arguments by MRAs that women are privileged because they are more likely to be able to have casual sex.

On an interesting side-note, we are seeing an increasing number of women on the web exhibiting incel-like behaviour; except instead of complaining about a lack of sex (as incels do), they complain about not being able to find relationships. Just as incels argue that women can have sex whenever they want, these women argue that men can have relationships whenever they want, and that it's far easier to find a relationship with a woman than vice versa.

The fact is, women are far more at risk of sexual violence than men - and any sexual encounter with a stranger - or in fact any man - can go badly wrong for them.
As I explained in a previous comment, a sexual encounter can also go badly wrong for men. The only difference is that men won't be the victims of sexual violence in these cases; they will be the victims of general violence, and could find themselves in hospital with fractures and bleeding.

BlueJag · 06/06/2019 13:47

I enjoy being a woman. If I could choose again I'll be a woman again.

ZebrasAreBras · 06/06/2019 13:47

It's a very common arguments by MRAs that women are privileged because they are more likely to be able to have casual sex.

The MRAs seem to envy this (and I wouldn't be surprised to see a slight causal link between this belief, and the number of middle-aged men deciding they are really women).

The fact is, women are far more at risk of sexual violence than men - and any sexual encounter with a stranger - or in fact any man - can go badly wrong for them.

dwatsuts · 06/06/2019 13:43

A man said to me, 'You could have any man in this room'. I replied 'Most aren't worth havingshock, I wouldn't want them'.

That's... kind of the point... you're in a position that allows you to pick and choose...

Women don't want any man. Most don't view men as vehicles for their own sexual gratification.

Men's sexual gratification is not mutually exclusive with women's sexual gratification. It's not a zero sum game...

ZebrasAreBras · 06/06/2019 13:42

Not all men are strong, and if you look at the news, men get beaten up all the time.

Not by women they're not. They're beaten up by other men. There are always outliers, but on average, men are far bigger, taller and stronger than women.

NottonightJosepheen · 06/06/2019 13:40

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dwatsuts · 06/06/2019 13:33

At massive risk to themselves. Sexual encounters are dangerous to women in a way they are not to men. You are making yourself vulnerable in private with a person you don't know well who is guaranteed to be bigger and stronger than you.

Ummm, if you have a sexual encounter as a man, you are also putting yourself in a vulnerable position in which you could find yourself with someone who is bigger and stronger than you.

Do you think all men are 6'5'' muscle men who can shrug off any physical attackers that come at them? Not all men are strong, and if you look at the news, men get beaten up all the time.

Also the physical activity of sex is more risky for the woman. She risks pregnancy

The only part of sex that actually causes pregnancy is vaginal penetration you know... so if you're worried about that... then just avoid vaginal penetration and enjoy everything else instead...

Missillusioned · 06/06/2019 13:26

also massively envy the ease of getting casual sex as a woman. Plenty of each sex arn't interested in this, but the women who are can sleep with a new guy each weekend, and some of my friends do this.

At massive risk to themselves. Sexual encounters are dangerous to women in a way they are not to men. You are making yourself vulnerable in private with a person you don't know well who is guaranteed to be bigger and stronger than you. And if something goes wrong you will be blamed for it and considered to have brought it on yourself.

Also the physical activity of sex is more risky for the woman. She risks pregnancy and many STIs are more easily passed from man to woman than vice versa.

Even if a woman enjoys casual sex, it isn't the easy activity it is for men

EleanorOalike · 06/06/2019 13:25

No. From being a toddler I thanked my lucky stars that I was born female. I love feminine things, I love being a woman, I love the fact that I have the potential to carry a child and give birth. I’ve been mistreated and abused by just as many women as men. I had an excellent education and I’ve got a great career. I haven’t felt disadvantaged by my sex at all career wise. I’m single and independent and wouldn’t wish to be a man for a second.

happyhillock · 06/06/2019 13:24

No definitely not, i love being a woman despite all the crap that comes our way, men are fucking up the world, as the saying goes all the trouble in the world is man made,

SoHotADragonRetired · 06/06/2019 13:20

I would love to have the experience of walking around in a male body for a couple of weeks, or even a day, just to see how differently I got treated. I think it would be fascinating.

But long term? No. I actually feel a bit sorry for men sometimes that they have such rigid ridiculous gender roles, such poor social connections and self care skills, that they don't get to experience motherhood... (Yes, that's both rather soft and rather patronising of me, and much of it they do to themselves, but you asked, so.)

I'd rather be me even with all the shit (sexism, sexual assault, miscarriage, pregnancy complications) it's brought with it.