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The fucking Guardian again

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GCAcademic · 03/06/2019 17:09

Just tried to comment on this article by pointing out the issues at Holbeck, down the road from where the author works:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/03/uk-feminists-embrace-sex-workers-rights#comment-129762450

Only pro-prostitution comments are allowed, it seems. Mine was deleted very quickly. Men (and their inevitably privileged, middle-class, cool girl, penis-rights supporters) are the only people allowed to participate btl. They are now pre-moderating comments to ensure that us women don’t get ideas above our station and begin to think that we are anything more than commodities and spunk receptacles.

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stumbledin · 03/06/2019 23:50

GCAcademic

The Guardian has had a policy of deleting comments whose feminism doesn't tally with their male approved version.

this has been going on for over 10 years, before the trans issue took centre stage.

I was one of a group of feminists who tried over a year to comment (without insults etc) stating a more radical women's liberationist view point. At that time they allowed men to comment back saying we were all just men haters etc., etc.. And one by one we not only had our comments deleted by got suspended. We all kept signing up under different names but it kept on happening. So we sort of gave up (it is a minority paper!)

Some years later they did a survey and had to admit their comment section was hostile to women. So all they did then was in most instances not allow any comments on articles by one of their approved feminists.

On the other hand if you are on facebook it seems they dont operate a moderation policy there, and in recent years on their pro trans articles it has been a real contrast to read the "approved" coments on their web site and the radical feminist comments on their facebook posts.

The article on "sex work" ie prostitution doesn't as yet have any comments! www.facebook.com/GuardianOpinion/posts/2473605796005268?xts[0]=68.ARAOlDgyhRLeXNrTKX0sVV6f24Z1TiNrz5HNqkXhZFYbU_SE6t_2L9fbhpDJjFKUgvFzrqDtiQ7KjiVIaq5Vj-L21aYRqZoLCPAzNKu848062z6gSHSE8_yYo9FB0AsvJ4IqTJ_pAOghnMFetij9RY5J7MTkmE5IKr5xhu3Mc_pQTNB-3lrosH4EM3cV489bMHiTQ-ik2dnZTPuQvrE5Uw2arBX0P4X0ItHMQMZi3qndfkijtOKfKPhdazbxqz9uIDc1UKT-B6BJiD6c9ehY61aaS2uVN8W_rjtASMNnyfq_QNcSRWp6YdiVeWX8fVo-fo3hHCmBReuIFMPRLicZ-b1-Tw&tn=-R

LassOfFyvie · 03/06/2019 23:44

"Kate Hardy is associate professor of work and employment relations at the University of Leeds"

So busy waffling on about Argentina she hasn't the time to look what's happening in her home town.

FermatsTheorem · 03/06/2019 22:52

Back in the day I used to go to Holbeck sometimes - when I read what's happening there, I fucking despair. All women are getting fucked over by this - the prostitutes working for a pittance and facing violence up to and including murder (RIP Dara Pionka, murdered within a month or two of the establishment of the fucking fucked-up "safe zone"), the women and girls harassed on the street while going about their business, the women dragged into passing cars and raped because they're in an area where fucking punters assume all women's bodies belong to them.

The Guardian, the woke bros, bloody traitors like Kate Hardy - there are no words harsh enough to describe how completely and utterly I despise them. Their callous disregard for women exposes them as the complete shitstains they are.

pachyderm · 03/06/2019 22:18

It's the ONE issue relating to women where you'll get a torrent of lefty men commenting below the line. Pension inequality? Zzzz. Maternity leave entitlements? Snore. Reproductive rights? Nada. But the "right" of women to be fucked for money - the woke bros are ALL over that oneAngry

Goosefoot · 03/06/2019 19:20

I would not say that all the comments that are critical have been deleted.

RoyalCorgi · 03/06/2019 19:08

Leeds, eh? Are they putting stupid juice in the water or something?

placemats · 03/06/2019 19:04

Kate Hardy's twitter feed is interesting not really

twitter.com/katerhardy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

twitter.com/katerhardy/status/1135309386736447489

The latter is a tweet on international sex workers day. Obviously no one gives a shit.

AncientLights · 03/06/2019 18:57

"Feminists refuse to let prostitutes join the feminist movement..."

I had no idea we have to actually join. Is there a form to fill in, a subscription to pay? Here's me, after all these years a feminist and not knowing that. Tut.

sillage · 03/06/2019 18:56

The word "men" isn't mentioned once. Male violence is, once again, treated like an agent-free force of nature that just kind of happens like the weather.

A person reading that would come away thinking the worst problem facing Argentinian prostitutes in is Argentinian feminists being snobbish mean girls.

realdoctor · 03/06/2019 18:42

Just read this myself, and it's just so lazy and lame.

  • There's just no excuse for Kate Hardy not to comment on the problematic situation in Leeds, where she works and presumably lives
  • Compares Argentina to UK, no consideration at all that these two countries might be quite different in their economies and cultures
  • That same old trope that abolitionist feminists 'don't like' sex workers. supporting sex workers is not the same as denying that prostitution is an abusive industry with in-built inequalities that systematically and disproportionately harm women.
  • And what is going on with the image? why is pro-abortion the same as pro-prostitution?
  • One of the women Hardy talks about has to work 12 hours a day. Not because she wants to but because she has to. No concern what that would do to a female body, the health implications, nothing.

A labour relations academic that doesn't analyse the exploitative nature of prostitution ... it is embarrassing. I'm willing to listen to pro-decriminalisation arguments but this is obfuscating propaganda.

Gone2far · 03/06/2019 18:08

It's the guardian ffs. Why expect anything else?

FloralBunting · 03/06/2019 18:01

The comments are a joy. I'm particularly pleased to be informed that there is no issue with trafficked women in the UK, and that there are probably only around 4000 of them getting raped a number of times a day. Warms the heart, no?

GCAcademic · 03/06/2019 17:58

She says feminists refuse to let prostitutes join in the feminist movement, but has she demonstrated her feminist solidarity by joining her sisters in the Leeds managed zone a few nights a week? Solidarity is a two-way street as much in the red light district as everywhere else.

You know, she really should. It would be so empowering for her to experience prostitution, I’m sure her day job would pale into insignificance.

Yet another privileged middle-class wanker that doesn’t give a shit about anything other than her own career and woke-cred. I wonder how empowered foreign girls trafficked into that area feel? Or the parents who have men trying to buy their children and babies by the hour? Or that teacher who was snatched from the street and gang raped, and the rapists not even charged because they had the cast-iron excuse of thinking that she was a prostitute? I’m embarrassed to be in the same profession as this dick-rights activist.

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sillage · 03/06/2019 17:27

"Kate Hardy is associate professor of work and employment relations at the University of Leeds"

She says feminists refuse to let prostitutes join in the feminist movement, but has she demonstrated her feminist solidarity by joining her sisters in the Leeds managed zone a few nights a week? Solidarity is a two-way street as much in the red light district as everywhere else.

Letting men rent women's reproductive organs by the hour for male masturbation has nothing to do with men's continued control of women's reproductive organs regarding abortion because liberals say so.

GCAcademic · 03/06/2019 17:12

Oh, and just read the comments btl if you want to see the raging misogyny and sexual entitlement of left-wing men laid bare.

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