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Beauty regime burdens

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Sunkisses · 02/06/2019 07:19

Given recent threads on make up and false nails that have produced much debate and defensiveness, I thought a thread highlighting all the ever more elaborate and costly things and products women are expected to do to their appearance now could be illuminating. Particularly new things, or things that have become a lot more mainstream. Men are not expected to 'groom' and spend so much time/money on their appearance, and many women think just because they 'choose' to, it's not a feminist issue. It is, particularly the messages we send our daughters that our purpose is to be decorative. Things like:
Push up bras
Leg hair removal
Pubic hair removal, especially waxing and Brazilians - ouch
Underarm hair removal
False eyelashes
Eyebrow threading
Hair that costs a fortune (highlights etc)
Body contouring underwear
Botox and fillers
Plastic surgery like breast implants
Hair extensions
Fake tan
False fingernails

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FinallyHere · 02/06/2019 08:29
  • Young women take control of their appearance and do not accept what they are born with.

Most seem happy enough, so is it a problem? If so, why?*

In my experience there is a reverse correlation between happiness / satisfaction and the effort expended/results obtained

so that the people doing it are not really happy. And the policing is as much by other women as by men, with the men being easier to ignore.

One of the few benefits for me of getting older has been my body hair thinning to non existence so that I do not notice it day by day

Not sure whether this is connected, but I now keep the hair on my head slightly and have regular blow dries. Sigh.

EverardDigby · 02/06/2019 08:26

I'd say my 16 yo DD spends between 1-2 hours a day on beauty on average. Her hair is time consuming to manage but there's also make up, tinting eyebrows, fake tan, hair removal, face masks etc. I keep pointing out that whilst girls are doing this, boys her age have that time to be doing active things in the world, though to be fair they're probably mostly wanking and playing Fortnite.... I spend practically no time.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 02/06/2019 08:25

www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/02/22/asia-pacific/social-issues-asia-pacific/south-korean-women-ditch-makeup-escape-corset-rebellion-ideals-beauty/#.XPN5iHMo80M the most interesting analysis on this topic currently is from the 'escape the corset' movement from South Korea imo

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 02/06/2019 08:22

www.angelfire.com/or/sociologyshop/hurts.html good diagram by Andrea dworkin linked from here

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 02/06/2019 08:20

I hate how policed it all is.

I've heard of young women with autism with no interest in these things being forcibly shaved /plucked to conform in a world that is going to treat us dreadfully regardless.

Working in the women's sector it seems like an untouched aspect of misogyny. Like you can't criticize it because it is a 'choice'.
Talking about dieting, make up etc is constant.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 02/06/2019 08:17

Sheila Jeffreys' beauty and misogyny is really good

Kedgeree · 02/06/2019 08:09

EmpressLesbian
"Plucked her eyebrows on the way
Shaved her legs and then he was a she
Hey baby, take a walk on the wild side" - Lou Reed.

And yes yes to the long hair! My friend is a hairdresser whose younger DD, now 14, has a short style with an undercut and is relentlessly and mercilessly bullied for it. She looks great and because her mum is good at her job, her hair is well cut, but no, it's not "normal" so must be shamed. Her older sister is 18 and has hair to her waist.

Sunkisses · 02/06/2019 08:07

Yes, compulsory long hair. Me and my DDs watched the St Winifred's Girls Choir singing 'Grandma we love you' on Top Of The Pops on YouTube the other day (for an it of nostalgia, it was the 70s for any youngsters here) and I was struck by how many girls had pudding basin or bobbed hair. I had bobbed hair throughout girlhood and so wasn't distracted by endless hair brushing. I was also blessed with great parents who both told me that beauty was about your actions, and that natural beauty was way better than fake and artificial beauty. Great attitudes that have helped with self esteem throughout my life

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Sunkisses · 02/06/2019 08:01

Oh yes Naomi Wolf, not Naomi Klein (of No Logo, the Shock Doctrine and This Changes Everything fame) Grin

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TheBitterBoy · 02/06/2019 08:01

The only item on that list I personally feel socially expected to do is leg hair removal. However I am in my forties. When I look at my female relatives in their late teens and early twenties, I think they are much more expected to take part in that list. They all have long hair (when did that become a thing? V rare to see teen girls with short hair at all these days), fake tan, manicures, contouring etc etc.

SolitudeAtAltitude · 02/06/2019 08:00

I don't feel pressure to do most of those things (actually, Only leg shaving and yesterday went out happily with hairy legs in shorts Grin)

Neither do lots of my friends (40s 50s)

It's not that I don't care how I look. I just don't choose this particular artificial/tinkered look

There is something very democratic about the new beauty standards though. It is now all about effort, and how much time and money you spend, instead of natural beauty (what you are born with). Girls who look average can make themselves look amazing (by modern standards) with all the stuff you list.

Young women take control of their appearance and do not accept what they are born with.

Most seem happy enough, so is it a problem? If so, why?

IStillMissBlockbuster · 02/06/2019 07:57

Frequent dieting for women who aren't overweight
Pressure not to wear the same outfit twice in front of the same people
Teeth whitening
Eyelash extensions
Make up contouring
Does having no functional pockets count as a beauty regime burden?
Unwalkable heels

EmpressLesbianInChair · 02/06/2019 07:57

We really need to be getting rid of gender.

If we could get to the stage where none of the above list was actually linked to female sex stereotypes (thinking of blokes who cite their pink skirts / gold lame purses / tiaras / shaved legs as evidence of being women) then there would (hopefully) be much less pressure on actual women to do all this.

AnyOldPrion · 02/06/2019 07:53

I’ve done three of those in the distant past. Now I don’t do any and I won’t be starting again.

Pota2 · 02/06/2019 07:50

Naomi Wolf wrote the Beauty Myth, I believe.
I agree with a lot of this. It’s very complex, but it is a feminist issue. Yes, people choose to do things, but no choice is truly free for any person. However, just refusing to do grooming when we do so many other things that hold up the patriarchy probably isn’t the definitive solution to the problem. That doesn’t mean it’s not a feminist issue though.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 02/06/2019 07:45

Hm. The only one I do on that list is underarm hair removal. I'm weighing up whether to stop that & it’s interesting to see how uncomfortable I am at the thought.

Sunkisses · 02/06/2019 07:40

Time to dig out Naomi Klein's 'The Beauty Myth' again. Haven't read it in years! I just wish more women were more self-aware that their 'choices' are not done in a vacuum, and that 'choosing' something in a sexist society is not 'feminism'. Who coined the term 'choice feminism'? It's brilliant

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