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A pleasant surprise

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APleasantSurprise · 01/06/2019 11:15

NC for this as very outing.

I came across a number of Tweets from a user whose profile described him as a serving officer with the Met. This is the complaint I sent yesterday:

Jon Killen, a emergency response officer in the MPS and LGBT+ officer, is issuing Tweets that I consider misogynist. His Twitter account (@LDNResponseCop) clearly identifies him professionally, so he cannot argue that he's only offering personal opinions. I cannot think his social media presence is doing anything good for the Met. It seems highly unprofessional. Certainly I would have less confidence were I involved in an incident and had to deal with Jon Killen than I would in a generic officer. Please look at what he's saying - and the response from many LGBT Twitter users who find his Tweets offensive. The police must be seen to be impartial.

I got a call from an inspector this morning. He'd gone through the officer's Tweets and agreed with me. He said it wasn't a disciplinary matter as there were no personally offensive Tweets but that the Tweets definitely overstepped the bounds of what a serving police officer should be saying on social media. A conversation was in order and he would be talking to the officer soon.

Only a small step, but I was pleased the Met seems to have taken it seriously.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2019 18:48

Or String Theory?

Sorry... Smile

ZebrasAreBras · 04/06/2019 18:48

I’m immensely proud of my thoughtful, informed, balanced, respectful and supportive feminist education

Your brand of feminism centres males. Your branch of feminism enables Danielle Muscato to say to women: "Some women have penises, and if you're bothered by that you can suck my dick."

It also enables beardy lefty men to abuse women, call them cunts, have them fired, have them punched, have them expelled from political parties. Just because those women don't believe men can be women.

It's not any brand of feminism I want to be part of. I'll stick with women-centred radical feminism thanks.

ZebrasAreBras · 04/06/2019 18:47

Zoe, do you subscribe to Queer Theory?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2019 18:45

I literally have parts of my degree in a) language or b) nonsense

Answers on a postcard please... that's a small rectangle of card, stamp (small sticky square with queen's head on it) and destination address on one side, chirpy message to be included on the other, unless you choose a picture postacrd (touristy thing of yesteryear) when all 3 are on the same side due to space restrictions.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 04/06/2019 18:45

You don’t get to call it a slur

I’ll call it whatever the fuck I want. I’ve stood in front of my lesbian friends back in the 80’s when they didn’t actually have rights, as people abused and threatened them with that slur. So you can back off with ordering me about.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2019 18:42

And you Floral Our Zoe already said she hasn't the foggiest about the acronyms. POMO is just a Pom Bear spelled wrong!

LangCleg · 04/06/2019 18:42

I literally have parts of my degree in a) language

Colourless green ideas sleep furiously?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2019 18:42

Play fair Bernard. Despit ebeing something of an expert she hasn't a clue what Lesbians on Chairs are. How is she to know Buck Angel or Ian Duncan Smith?

FloralBunting · 04/06/2019 18:40

I can call queer a slur without your permission, thank you very much. The authoritarian manner of declaring what I am allowed to accept as a term is rather at odds with the all loving loosey goosey be kind shit, but you pomo types do love an internal contradiction.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 04/06/2019 18:40

Maybe Zoe could define 'man'?

the Jordan Peterson follower definition would be something like

assertive
organised
interested in facts
capable of greatness
brave

does this make a man Zoe? do Buck Angel and Ian Duncan Smith share these characteristics? what makes them both men?

Treefloof · 04/06/2019 18:40

Trying to apply objective terms and measures to parts of identity which are so subjective and alive is like trying to measure the length of a piece of string with litmus paper. You can’t quantify the unquantifiable
Huh so are we back around to a man is whatever he says he is?
Are you admitting then that there is no way to define woman without resorting to the stereotypes that transwomen appear to use?

JackyHolyoake · 04/06/2019 18:38

People have a right to reject the word queer, lots of gay men of a certain generation can’t get on board with it

How very interesting that you exclude lesbians here.

GassyAss · 04/06/2019 18:38

Zoecb you've not answered my question about feminists physically attacking transwomen. Do you have any examples to back up your claim? Or is it just heresay?

FloralBunting · 04/06/2019 18:37

Yes, as you said. That unquantifiable 'woman' that you can't actually define. But some men are part of if they really believe they should be. I'm pleased you mentioned internalized misogyny, though. You've got some of the vocab you need to stop selling your sisters down the river.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 04/06/2019 18:36

ah the word activist is a benediction, rather than just a description. it infers goodness, so incels can't have it

weird

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 18:36

People have a right to reject the word queer, lots of gay men of a certain generation can’t get on board with it. We also have a right to accept the reclaimed version, most of the younger generation do, including me. You don’t get to call it a slur unless it’s used about you without your consent.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2019 18:35

Who said what now?

Why do you keep on bringing Incels into this?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 04/06/2019 18:35

I don't think I'm going to learn how queer theory and genderism are not sexist today am I?

what does 'woman' mean?

such a small question to be impossible for some people to answer

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 18:34

As I previously said, anti women activists would be ones who don’t support all women.

I support the rights of all women.

I don’t think incels really deserve any association with the word activist as they’re more like terrorists really, they’re managed quite a few mass murder sprees. There’s plain misogyny (coming from men) and the far more insidious internalised misogyny (women-on-women hatred and self-hatred).

JessicaWakefieldSV · 04/06/2019 18:33

Queer is a slur as far as I’m concerned.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2019 18:33

Queer includes gay. Silly girl. It also includes trans. But you gave them an individual shout out... made them 'other'. We only have what you post to go on, we have to judge you on what you type.. as I said, we do se you!

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 04/06/2019 18:31

anyway Zoe, you're very sad about my vagina being all that makes me a woman

you were going to tell me what makes you a woman

and how you're definition of what a woman's brain is like is different to some Jordan Petersonite's definition

FloralBunting · 04/06/2019 18:30

Queer includes every little personality quirk known to humanity. Some of us remember it being flung at us, with fists, and are less glib about the whole thing.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 04/06/2019 18:30

why wouldn't there be gay people if sex were defined by biology and not feelings Zoe?

you've lost me I'm afraid

JackyHolyoake · 04/06/2019 18:30

Laws should be based on equality

Laws should be based on fairness [ie: justice] to all parties affected by any law, be that civil or criminal law.