A pleasant surprise

So if I don't share an eye roll with a woman over a man mansplaining, I am not a woman. Do you realise how you sound?
Also how would I know it was a man?

Yes I love postmodernism. I doubt you understand it. I've aimed it at you a few times.

Postmodernism is, first and foremost, a critical thing. Its core is revealing the cultural constructions, the social mores we all accept as truth forcing us to look again at the history of many repressed 'others', like women, homosexuals and others who have been colonised. And it is now way past its sell by date. Traduced to Simpson's esque self referencing and all those lovely air quotes!

Can anyone guess what my secondary subject in my degree was?

i’m very keen to hear more detail about the allegations you threw out about gender critical women physically attacking trans women, zoe.

I’ve never heard of this happening, and i think, despite your obvious favouring of the over application of pomo nonsense about the existence of objective facts, that when it comes to accusations of physical violence, we remain resolutely fact based, where facts are “things that actually happened”.

so when did these assaults actually happen, to whom and perpetrated by whom?

Feminism centres Females ... [the clue is in the name].

Let’s say it again.

My intersectional feminism centres women, all of us.

UK law excludes all males from the definition of woman / women, as I said earlier.

UK law states woman = a female of any age. [Being the female sex means having a "congruence of chromosomes [XX], gonads [ovaries] and genitals [vulva].

[Conversely, being the male sex means having "a congruence of chromosomes [XY], gonads [testes] and genitals [penis].

Thus UK law is explicit, no male is ever a woman and no female is ever a man.

Feminism centres Females ... [the clue is in the name].

It’s as if the word feminism is acknowledging that women are disproportionately affected by archaic views of gender - fancy that

Not quite true - as by your own admission trans women are also prone to violence from men. Not because they are women, though, but because they are not conforming to masculine gendered expectation, in the eyes of men. Gay men have long been the targets for the violence of other men too.

The weird thing is, so much of the aggressive, forceful stance of TRAs, in pursuit of their objectives, is actually deeply masculine. It does not suggest 'femininity' at all. Trying to force your way in; invade boundaries; and attempt to transfigure language and basic concepts to suit yourself is not something that women have traditionally done, or been at all successful at. Funny that!

HumberElla right? That comment was particularly

My intersectional feminism centres women, all of us

Woman = adult human female

Transwomen are Male. Fact. There’s nothing wrong with being a transwoman, at all. I’ve always preferred the company of gender non conforming people. But there is no need to deny observable material reality to accommodate them. Many transsexual and transgender people don’t either.

Oh god I just popped back in to see where we’d got to and got as far as this.

it’s really unsettling to hear the use of ‘males’ and ‘females’ in their noun form in the kind of syntax I only ever see used by incels :-/

Gahaaahsha!!! I mean hats off to you all for continuing to offer up sense and reason against this.

Women! Stop Using Nouns

Ohhhh dear, my aching sides!

I’d rather accept people for who they are without demanding they account to me for every atom of their existence.

Ooh! Say that in the voice of your favourite Jane Austen character and it sounds positiley dreamy... less so as a Bronte character, not at all as a Lawrence female!

Lizzy Bennet
Shirley
Bathsheba

In all honesty trying to justify my womanhood

No. You were asked to define the word woman. Not justify your womanhood. Didn’t you study English language?????

Zoe can't define what 'woman' means because... colourless green ideas sleep furiously. I honestly think we've all dropped some acid and are currently experiencing a Chomskian hellscape of a trip!

Zoecb
At 17.55 you said, it's one of the brains you have.
This is fucking wonderful news, we have more than one brain!! How did you find out about this amazing phenomenon?
Let's assume I have more than one brain. Every single one of my brains does not and never will believe in the LIE that human beings can change sex.

But happy to report than my university (KCL) had some rather more detailed, informed and respectful discussions about such issues

Nobody wants to stop you discussing your issues. How about permitting others to do the same. Your issues are clearly quite different to many of ours here. that is why there is such antagonism.

I think you should put your considerable energy into campaigning for your own/third spaces, rather than trying to force your way into those in which you are not welcome, nor where do you belong.

My intersectional feminism centres women, all of us. And aha! Yes I love postmodernism. But then I get how you’d hate something about how the social perception of reality is fluid and slippery and can’t really be described in objective terms, people get pretty scared of what they don’t understand and postmodernism is about accepting it not fearing it! This is why it’s called _phobia!

But Zoe can't define what 'woman' means because it's reductive and gets in the way of her spiritual rapport just. so in her world men can be women, dogs can be cats, knives can be forks. they just have to have a certain forkiness about them

Insisting that transwomen are not women is the evidence of hate

For goodness sake! Transwomen are not women This is a fact. It is based on biological evidence - long accepted and held to be true the world over. Transgenderism has got nothing to do with biological sex.
Biological sex exists. Identity is ephemeral - no matter how meaningful to the individual.

Maybe a sense of undefinable kinship with other women.

actual lol in my kitchen

from the person who called mumsnet 4chan for housewives

truly the sense of kinship we share is mystical and magnificent

Someone else brought up incels... btw any mention of Jordan Peterson is a waste of oxygen so him and his odious views can sod right off.

What’s my most important womanly identity facet that I can even attempt to try to define? Maybe a sense of undefinable kinship with other women. A spiritual rapport of sorts, if you’d like it in crazy mystic terms...

In all honesty trying to justify my womanhood to you comes under the banner of “taking homework assignments from strangers” and my days of writing essays for free (or at great personal expense in the case of being a student) are far behind me I’m afraid. By all means just believe the shortcut reductive answer, it’s a lot more convenient than the nuance of not-already-laid-out-for-you-in-short-words reality.

I’d rather accept people for who they are without demanding they account to me for every atom of their existence. They don’t need my approval to confirm their existence, they know who they are. It’s just nice to have allies who love and accept you and I am proud to be one of them.

to be fair, I spent ages when I first frequented the board wondering why everyone was talking about permanent open market options (..pomo)

this is one of the books I took on holiday with me last week. I approached it with trepidation, but the writer clearly thinks post modernism is absolute bollocks and is pleasingly catty throughout.

I prefer String Theory myself, but I'm married to a physics graduate so...