A pleasant surprise

Oh, is it Sunday already? Do the really boring AWAs have an appointment alarm in their phones to come spout nonsense at the weekend? Regular as clockwork.

it baffles me how much people want to assert authority and control over other people’s lives and obstinately remain on the wrong side of history

I couldn’t agree more. It’s like going back to pre Victorian times, when women were made to feel like second class citizens and didn’t even have female only toilets. Thank goddess women are no longer sitting back and being ‘nice’ while being told by men how to behave and that they have to hand all their rights to privacy, safety and dignity over to men to control.

Women have lived through sexism and abuse at the hands of males and have decided enough is enough, we will leave that part of history behind and move forward stronger and braver than ever before, because young women and children deserve our support.

it baffles me how much people want to assert authority and control over other people’s lives and obstinately remain on the wrong side of history

Me too Zoe. Gender needs to get in the bin right? Let’s just stick to sex and call the other stuff a personality!

Ah! That's where I left my salad...

Can't beat a bit if word salad with your tea.

Yawn.

Luckily most of us do have more than a primary school education where you get a slightly more in-depth study of science than that. Atoms aren’t the smallest thing either, because there are sub-atomic particles, but you teach that to 16 year olds not 11 year olds - hopefully you get the gist.

Sex is more complicated than a binary, chromosomal and developmental variations to the typical are perfectly common, about 1.7% of births according to studies.
As for gender, that’s rather more complex and it baffles me how much people want to assert authority and control over other people’s lives and obstinately remain on the wrong side of history. Do any of you even know any trans people? Do you hate transmen as much as you hate trans women? I really don’t understand transphobia.

The only satisfactory response to this “complaint” would be to respond saying that Jon’s tweets are perfectly acceptable and that the writer would be well reminded that transphobic hate crimes are not taken lightly.

Women have vaginas (and everything else that is under the definition of female) and Men have a penis (and everything else that is under the definition of male). It’s not hard to understand. To be trans you are one biological sex that is using stereotype to present as the opposite sex. Therefore people who are trans are just that, trans. They don’t magically become the opposite sex. Fs, I thought we learnt about male and female in primary school.

LOL, another 'if you acknowledge sex is real and important in some areas of life, you are amisogynist' poster. Goody. If you refuse to acknowledge sex, you cannot fight sexism. But I guess, those kinds will also argue that men suffer misogyny too..and usually a far higher rate than women, poor things. Such a ridiculous argument, that if women want certain areas away from the male sex then they are actually misogynists.

It’s only misogynists who judge people’s worth and role and rights by what’s between their legs, that’s my exact point.

You're so close to getting it. Only a misogynist would ever make the claim that 'most' people with vagina's share some sort of psychological and emotional state, i.e they are of the same gender.

A third person? Oooerrrr!

Fekko.
I judge someone who looks me in the eye and says they are a woman with a penis between their legs.

I’ve had a penis between my legs from time to time, but never with a third person present. I’d judge someone too if they were at it in a public place and looked me in the eye, while uttering the immortal words “they are a woman”

Apologies for the diversion, Pleasant. Glad you’ve taken action and I hope it’s satisfactorily followed up.

Nice work OP.

A brand new poster arrives to scold women. How nice. Still, as wiser heads have said, grey rock.

I know spartacus

But but but

that is a statement of fact

C’mooooooonnnnnn

It’s only misogynists who judge people’s worth and role and rights by what’s between their legs

This is a very muddled comment that doesn’t consider the legal rights that are specific to women, as a protected vulnerable sex class. Rights specific to women, very much reflect someone’s biology- crudely reducing it to ‘what’s between someone’s legs’ is juvenile and unhelpful.

Good I’m glad you had a response re that police officer OP. I would encourage you to follow it up if you have time, to see that it is dealt with and you know the outcome.

Those in positions of authority hold our trust and have a responsibility to be impartial. Whatever their personal views.

Matters of opinion and beliefs should be kept firmly out of the workplace when your responsibility is to work within and uphold the law.

I'd hope a local resolution will be satisfactory but I also hope you hold the process accountable, OP. Don't get fobbed off.

Agreed.

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hopefully this works!

I found it on my Books on my iPad Spartacus. No idea where I got it from! I'll see if I can upload it

I don’t think anyone on the feminist board here on MN is ignorant about sex or gender, Zoecb, wilfully or otherwise.
Sex is unchangeable, physical reality. Gender is an artificial social construct, consisting of harmful stereotypes, which we have fought for decades.
HTH.

Just a reminder that it's the weekend and TRAs like to target mumsnetters to get them all wound up and banned.

Hope you're all enjoying the warm weather

Well done APleasantSurprise. That's excellent news.

Incidentally, on the Hampstead Heath issue, I've been reading the excellent guidance that Louise Whitfield from Deighton Pierce Glynn has written and it looks like the CoL is clearly failing in its public duty to open the Ladies Pond up to men who identify as women. I look forward to the legal challenge

And I judge transphobes for being transphobic, homophobes for being homophobic, racists for being racist, etc etc.

It’s very sad how much ignorance, wilful or otherwise, there is about sex and gender.