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A pleasant surprise

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APleasantSurprise · 01/06/2019 11:15

NC for this as very outing.

I came across a number of Tweets from a user whose profile described him as a serving officer with the Met. This is the complaint I sent yesterday:

Jon Killen, a emergency response officer in the MPS and LGBT+ officer, is issuing Tweets that I consider misogynist. His Twitter account (@LDNResponseCop) clearly identifies him professionally, so he cannot argue that he's only offering personal opinions. I cannot think his social media presence is doing anything good for the Met. It seems highly unprofessional. Certainly I would have less confidence were I involved in an incident and had to deal with Jon Killen than I would in a generic officer. Please look at what he's saying - and the response from many LGBT Twitter users who find his Tweets offensive. The police must be seen to be impartial.

I got a call from an inspector this morning. He'd gone through the officer's Tweets and agreed with me. He said it wasn't a disciplinary matter as there were no personally offensive Tweets but that the Tweets definitely overstepped the bounds of what a serving police officer should be saying on social media. A conversation was in order and he would be talking to the officer soon.

Only a small step, but I was pleased the Met seems to have taken it seriously.

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pombear · 03/06/2019 21:10

Zoecb, there once was a time that I'd have felt the need to address each of your points, particularly for the lurkers on threads.

But nowadays a post like yours is like watching DARVO (deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender) in real time action. But it's all worn-out. And most readers of this thread will see it for what it is.

Bingo words:
TERFS

'hating on other women'
misogyny
cognitive dissonance
white supremacists
bigotry
binary diffusion on the diamorphic Confused
ignorance and hatred

its like, the worst hatred ever You type like some teenagers I know.

Throwing shit and word salad (most of it appropriated from the very women you're attacking) at a fan and hoping it lands on someone else isn't always a good strategy. The wind tends to be blowing in your direction.

Slightaggrandising · 03/06/2019 21:08

Reported for hate speech ¯\(ツ)/¯

Zoecb · 03/06/2019 20:53

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OrchidInTheSun · 03/06/2019 19:37

Ohhhh! Thank you Smile

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 03/06/2019 18:39

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OrchidInTheSun · 03/06/2019 18:23

What is an AWA?

Upzadaizy · 03/06/2019 16:51

Your fascination seems to ignore that these ‘mutations’ are variations on human sexual dimorphism

And AWAs who produce the Because intersex” argument really don’t understand the mechanics of genetics and sexual reproduction, and evolution.

In sexual reproduction, there are always mutations - or rather, differences. It’s how species evolve. They really are the exceptions which prove (as in test) the rules.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 03/06/2019 15:20

Oh yey, more 'but intersex' arguments when it comes to trans matters. This has never ever before been tried. of course, which stereotypes you follow is exactly the same as having a DSD

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 03/06/2019 13:48

Yet another new arrival working on the assumption that Mumsnet posters are sure to be barely educated and baby brained. Your sexism is blatant, Zoecb. AWAs always underestimate MN.

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LangCleg · 03/06/2019 10:39

I like this one.

A pleasant surprise
HumansCannotEverChangeSex · 03/06/2019 10:14

SpartacusAutisticusAHF Wait, is that real? Do people believe that?

slug · 03/06/2019 10:05

I prefer this one

A pleasant surprise
HumansCannotEverChangeSex · 03/06/2019 09:52

Gender is a bullshit made up social constructs designed to keep men and women in their separate little boxes. Do not talk to me like gender means anything other than your personality or what you enjoy. I know people who are trans and funny enough, a lot of them agree with the fact you cannot change sex.

HumberElla · 02/06/2019 21:44

It’s a real poser isn’t it Spartacus?

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FloralBunting · 02/06/2019 21:37

Are we still talking about chromosomes and DSDs in relation to people with completely straightforward XY or XX chromosomes who believe they are mysteriously, in ways we cannot really define except in sexist stereotypes, a member of the other sex?

Why would we still be doing that? Especially in a thread about a man in authority being upbraided for abusing his position to tweet nasty things.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 02/06/2019 21:31

Your fascination seems to ignore that these ‘mutations’ are variations on human sexual dimorphism and can cause significant problems to health and fertility.

This also has nothing to do with transgenderism.

HumberElla · 02/06/2019 21:21

Genetic and chromosomal mutations do not change the fact that humans have two sexes.

There are a number of actual practicing geneticists on here, I’m sure you’d learn lots from them Zoe.

I’m more of a brain specialist myself.

I wonder if Jon will be getting a well deserved talking to next week to make sure he takes his responsibilities seriously. Amazes me how people in these positions get away with talking such irresponsible nonsense to the public.

Zoecb · 02/06/2019 20:34

You get some quirks where you have people with XY chromosomes but whose bodies ignore testosterone so don’t develop any male characteristics in the womb or in puberty, and plenty of other fascinating mutations! I love genetics geekery! And this is just talking about physically visible sex characteristics, the brain is far more elusive to study.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 02/06/2019 19:24

Me neither

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 02/06/2019 19:18

Farage

Not keen on him either

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 02/06/2019 19:17

Do any of you even know any trans people?

Yes
Do you hate transmen as much as you hate trans women?

I dont hate anyone (maybe trump...and im not keen on gove)

I really don’t understand transphobia

Neither do i?

The definition seems to change on a very frequent basis

JessicaWakefieldSV · 02/06/2019 19:12

In a sexed species, there are two sexes, male and female. 99.93% of humans have XX or XY chromosomes, the others are a mutation and nothing to do with transgenderism.