A pleasant surprise

Is the tweet still up?

Feminism is indeed here to combat toxic masculinity (boys don’t cry etc) and also gender essentialism (I personally think this is what toxic femininity is if I had to define it).

Intersectional women does include all women - it describes the various interersecting oppressions faced by women, for example, BAME women may face oppression due to their race, in addition to that due to being born female.

Intersectional feminism does not include MEN. No matter how they feel in their heads. Transwomen are not women, so no, intersectional feminism does not include them. Except when it has been hijacked by transactivists, that is.

No form of feminism includes humans born with penises - although it may indirectly benefit them (for example, fighting all sex-role stereotypes, such as the "boys don't cry," "men shouldn't like caring roles" "men shouldn't show their feelings" type male stereotype).

You’re so close to getting it! Gender is not sex and gender dysphoria does need medical intervention! In the case of trans people that means medically transitioning!!! The extent to which they choose to/are able to do that is very personal and depends on a range of medical and financial factors.

Isn't this transphobic? It's my understanding that suggesting gender dysphoria and any medical transition are requirements for being trans is now offensive.

Anyway gender dysphoria has been declassified by the WHO as a mental illness. That's not going to help people with the condition because the healthcare system is now under no obligation to provide them with treatment because their condition is no longer a condition.

Me too floral

People like this poster are the reason that the Labour party is being abandoned by droves of working-class voters and women. Myself included. I am politically homeless after 30+ years of Labour voting, 15+ years of membership.

Please, do report me to the relevant authorities for using the phrase 'crazy mystic'. I'd be delighted to engage in the court case for that one.

Nobdy has called you an idiot. I have called you ignorant... you are, of many issues. I have called you smug, explained in a previous post. And I have called you shallow, your word salad posts are evidence of that!

Can we assume you have been reporting us naty posters for being, well, nasty? That is the only way MNHQ know a post falls outside the rues. If you haven't the report button is at the top right of every post.

As Floral said, you'll get nowhere here with your male centred posturings...

Fairly sure “crazy mystic” would qualify as both ableist and religious hate speech if reported but ok.

Here we go. Hate speech is anything I don't like. Especially if it is true.

We're feminists. Of course we understand that gender is not sex.

It's the method by which women, by virtue of their sex, are oppressed. So we reject gender, we don't think what a lovely smorgasbord of fun it is to fit people into it's boxes.

And we understand that no female space or service is single gender - its segregated on sex because men are not, ever, women, whatever they see as their gender, and they will always pose a risk to women.

Aside from just not wanting them around all the fucking time, which is equally valid.

I'm going to stick with observable material reality.
If reality upsets some people who really really wish it weren't so, I do feel pity for their plight.
Most of the time it doesn't matter, people are people after all and deserve to be treated with respect as a person. Sometimes when it comes to sensitive situations involving the sexed body, it serves the greatest good to stick with unambiguous reality.

Sadly that hasn't been true for far too many women... being sexually assaulted, in prison, by a fellow inmate isn't comfortable! But you know that. You're choosing to be ignorant, smug and shallow!

None of these privileged wokesters give a crap about women like that. Much more interested in displaying their progressive credentials than acknowledging the reality of working-class women's lives. They no doubt think that these female prisoners got what they deserved for refusing to acknowledge that the penis assaulting them was female. People like this poster are the reason that the Labour party is being abandoned by droves of working-class voters and women.

The mind is where more or less everything happens I think you’ll find

Oh dear, a Cartesian.

Feminist philosophers blew Descartes and his mind/body split out of the water decades ago.

Fairly sure “crazy mystic” would qualify as both ableist and religious hate speech if reported but ok.

You’re so close to getting it! Gender is not sex and gender dysphoria does need medical intervention! In the case of trans people that means medically transitioning!!! The extent to which they choose to/are able to do that is very personal and depends on a range of medical and financial factors.

Interesting that people personally calling me an idiot are not censored for personal attacks and not being sufficiently civil eyebrow raise.

You can radically include penis if you want. I don't actually care. You'll get no traction here if you're promoting dick pandering, though, especially if you come in with "You're all bigots and not feminists if you don't include penis-havers!"

Just so you know.

Sadly that hasn't been true for far too many women... being sexually assaulted, in prison, by a fellow inmate isn't comfortable! But you know that. You're choosing to be ignorant, smug and shallow!

Intersectional Feminism campaigns for the rights of ALL WOMEN. You can’t pick and choose which sections 😂. It means all the sections. Including Why the crying/laughing face? Is that supposed to signify your deeper understanding, our stupidity? Oh dear!

Transwomen are men! ALL women and transectional feminism is for women of all ethnicities, abilities etc. Not for men.

However, as a smart poster has already said, I shan't, can't be goaded by an ignoramus!

Quite sure being radically inclusive is a position I am comfortable with :-)

Yes all women. Not men.

You like focusing on the men who really like femininity. That's your choice. I am into women, in all senses of that phrase, and I have no interest in expanding the definition of feminism into meaninglessness by including men in it.

Not everything happens in the mind, you crazy mystic. We are physical, sexed beings.

A trans person is someone who is not the gender they were assigned at birth and experiences dysphoria being referred to and treated as that a member of that gender which they do not feel correctly describes them. Let me see

• gender is not sex
• sex is observed and recorded at birth, not randomly assigned
• gender is, again, not sex. If someone is dysphoric they need medical intervention, not to change biology

For example I was assigned female at birth and am lucky enough that I feel quite happily female in my mind, body etc. So, you were born female, recognised and recorded as such and have no dysphoria? Good

I’d feel extremely distressed if I woke up one day and everyone started seeing me as a man and calling me one. Why would that happen unless you took steps to radically modify your appearance. Human beings are very good at knowing which sex a person is!

Maybe I have higher levels of empathy than average, I don’t know. That you don't is clear.

I just don’t see why people should be punished and bullied (and frighteningly often, beaten and murdered) for the way they were born. Odd that, as women have been saying the same thing for centuries, yet still FGM, rape, DV etc occur at a frightningly hight rate.

Live and let live yes. Let me be a woman, with all the rights women have fight for. Let transwomen fight for their own rather than the dismantling of mine.

Having transphobic, regressive, sexist and ignorant attitudes is a choice, one that I cannot understand any more than any other form of discrimination and poor treatment of people simply for who they are. It costs £0.00 not to make that choice.

Presumably after logging off here then you'll be heading over to to some trans spaces to berate them on many of the regressive, sexist and ignorant attitudes on display towards females, especially lesbian females. After all they are making a choice to do that.

Do post a link and we'll cheer you on.

The mind is where more or less everything happens I think you’ll find!

Intersectional Feminism campaigns for the rights of ALL WOMEN. You can’t pick and choose which sections 😂. It means all the sections. Including

Having transphobic, regressive, sexist and ignorant attitudes is a choice, one that I cannot understand any more than any other form of discrimination and poor treatment of people simply for who they are. It costs £0.00 not to make that choice.