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A pleasant surprise

538 replies

APleasantSurprise · 01/06/2019 11:15

NC for this as very outing.

I came across a number of Tweets from a user whose profile described him as a serving officer with the Met. This is the complaint I sent yesterday:

Jon Killen, a emergency response officer in the MPS and LGBT+ officer, is issuing Tweets that I consider misogynist. His Twitter account (@LDNResponseCop) clearly identifies him professionally, so he cannot argue that he's only offering personal opinions. I cannot think his social media presence is doing anything good for the Met. It seems highly unprofessional. Certainly I would have less confidence were I involved in an incident and had to deal with Jon Killen than I would in a generic officer. Please look at what he's saying - and the response from many LGBT Twitter users who find his Tweets offensive. The police must be seen to be impartial.

I got a call from an inspector this morning. He'd gone through the officer's Tweets and agreed with me. He said it wasn't a disciplinary matter as there were no personally offensive Tweets but that the Tweets definitely overstepped the bounds of what a serving police officer should be saying on social media. A conversation was in order and he would be talking to the officer soon.

Only a small step, but I was pleased the Met seems to have taken it seriously.

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 04/06/2019 12:56

The most feminist place on MN is the relationships board Zoe. Smashing the patriarchy one shitty marriage at a time

Go and read some threads there and see if your smug, complacent view of MNers still stands

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 12:52

I did make it clear that those were not my words. Assuming everyone on Mumsnet is a housewife is indeed misogynist and not my view.

The 4chan comparison however...

Upzadaizy · 04/06/2019 12:49

I'm not a fucking housewife. I do housework, but I actually also run things manage people, and earn a shedload of money.

As do many MNetters. Who also run households, families, and manage all sorts of stuff which should never be reduced to that misogynist term "housewife."

Your misogyny is showing ...

Justhadathought · 04/06/2019 12:47

Anyway it’s been a bit of a wake up call to me how mainstream the intense transphobia is. All the more reason to push for progress!

You are deluded if you think this is just a forum for 'housewives'. This forum acts as a meeting place for people from all walks of life and profession, as well as for mothers and home-makers.

What is 'mainstream' is the ever increasing realisation of the full scope of what is going on in the name of trans rights. Bring it on! The more the merrier. Trans ideology cannot survive with proper scrutiny - because it is based on essential untruths and its foundations are inherently insecure.

OvaHere · 04/06/2019 12:47

Yeah cos no woman on here has a job or career. It's not like any of us are doctors, lawyers, scientists etc...If you think that you are sadly mistaken.

Clearly you think we should stick to talking about prams and knitting.

Saucery · 04/06/2019 12:44

That damn mainstream Basic Biology! Grrrrr! Grin

ZebrasAreBras · 04/06/2019 12:44

Facts are transphobic. Dogs are transphobic. Everything's transphobic. Mother nature - what a bloody transphobe.

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 12:43

Anyway it’s been a bit of a wake up call to me how mainstream the intense transphobia is. All the more reason to push for progress!

It’s been depressing. Now I know why I have seen MN referred to as “4chan but for housewives”! (Not my personal words/accusation but interesting comparison).

Saucery · 04/06/2019 12:42

*claiming to be biologically female, that should have said. My keyboard is struggling under the yoke of the patriarchy obviously.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 04/06/2019 12:41

It’s fine for people to have seriously misguided views

The earth is flat
The royal family are lizards
Chemtrails
Men can become women because of something in their brain

Crack on

The issue is when people with these views get to shape policy

I guess the point I’m making is the ones to really engage with are the policy makers, not the holders of the crack pot views (apart of course from when they’re both)

LangCleg · 04/06/2019 12:41

There is such a thing as overplaying one's hand, I feel.

(Now duly cheered up for an afternoon of shitty work ahead.)

Saucery · 04/06/2019 12:39

In your heart of hearts, though, you know they don’t pass.
I treat all people equally and with respect, you’ll be very pleased to know. Smile Whilst retaining an awareness of basic biology. An androgynous look.....meh, been there, got all the t shirts, boots etc........ Claiming you are biologically Male on the other hand - that’s your internal mental gymnastics and I’m under no obligation to buy into it. Cos Biology.

LangCleg · 04/06/2019 12:39

Being socialised male actually gives transwomen a very unique and useful insight into feminist issues, they have very illuminating perspectives that are particularly good for making men understand women’s experiences. A valuable asset!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

littlbrowndog · 04/06/2019 12:39

Jeez Zoe. Bye.

I had enough. Of this tripe talk

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 12:38

“It’s not hard”... and yet :-p

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 12:37

You’ve lost me at lesbians on chairs. I thought the bisexual culture meme was that it’s bisexuals that sit on chairs weirdly :-)

JessicaWakefieldSV · 04/06/2019 12:37

There’s a massive difference to having an androgynous look though. How silly to say we all can’t properly identify a man or woman by looking at them. We can. We do. Every day. Throughout history. It’s not hard.

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 12:36

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littlbrowndog · 04/06/2019 12:36

Oh is Zoe banging on about lesbians on chairs or having coffee or being at pride.

Jeez wtaf.

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 12:35

Never met a transwoman who passes? Erm, think about that sentence for a minute :-D

I’ve definitely met women AND men that I didn’t know were trans until I was told!

I dread to think how you treat people who have an androgynous look/style for no particular reason :-D. Must be very confusing for you!

OvaHere · 04/06/2019 12:34

At the end of the day transwomen are miles more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators

The statistics don't back this up. It's the opposite actually.

ZebrasAreBras · 04/06/2019 12:34

You're pandering to men now. On this thread. On a feminist board.

Try putting women to the centre.

And the lesbians who "disrupted" Pride did so peacefully, as is theit democratic right and have never assaulted anyone.

Saucery · 04/06/2019 12:34

Transwomen need to fight alongside, not as women, if they care so very much about biological females.

littlbrowndog · 04/06/2019 12:33

What what what now.

I can’t believe you just said that terves attack transwomen.

Is that what you mean ?

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 12:31

Anyone who think I pander to men really doesn’t know me :-D

And yes, redacted term apparently do assault transwomen and their allies, they disrupt Pride parades in the name of their ideology often, the one that I marched in a few years ago was held up by them, although it’s thankfully not too violent in the U.K. so far.

At the end of the day transwomen are miles more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators, as are all other women. It’s a parallel fight, the same fight, not an opposing one.

We all want an end to gender-based violence.