A pleasant surprise

Zoecb - yes. they. do.

Mothers breastfeed.

Women menstruate

Women need access to safe and legal abortion

All of those statements would be considered transphobic, and offensive to transwomen by TRAs.

They are women's issues because only affect women - even if not every single individual woman is affected by them.

Here's some violence for you - fantasies of those nice transwomen ...

Transgender Art Exhibition

Round and round and round we go

What’s your definition of a woman Zoe?

Since you’re so sure who is one

No one has a problem with talking about menstruation or pregnancy or breastfeeding

You really haven't been paying attention have you?

All those things have been attacked as problematic or transphobic by various TRAs.

Reproducing as a species has been going exponentially well in terms of quantity so I wouldn’t worry that’s it’s at risk of limiting itself!

No one has a problem with talking about menstruation or pregnancy or breastfeeding - although some of those don’t affect the childfree or the infertile etc. either so they’re very much only some women’s issues (albeit a very very large percentage). Not sure many women’s issues at all can be said to affect 100% of women. Being treated fairly and in accordance to our societal and heathcare needs (which vary but still suffer from men being treated as the default state of human in terms of drug research and all manner of things as we all know) and not a target of violence are good universal things to aim for.

Ah but were they really women zebra? What even is a woman after all?

God knows how we've managed to reproduce as a species all this time when there's no way to tell between biological sexes 🙄

A woman can be a housewife, high court judge, astrophysicist, brain surgeon, prime minister, Captain Marvel saving the fucking universe and it really doesn’t matter does it? Not to men and to the ‘progressive’ women who have swallowed the kool aid Zoecb. Still women, still not good enough and still being told we’ll never be good enough.

Transwomen are men who think they can be better women than we are (as well as being better at everything else) and they want to show us the way because they can understand both sides? You’re doing a great job here but the disdain is palpable as you’re telling us to run along and not bother our pretty little heads about things beyond our ken. We must accept something that is good for men is good for us too (when it patently fucking isn’t) because men want it that way and they know best? Nah.

But FloralBunting, all you have to do is identify as one and the magic fairy will sprinkle neurotypical atheist dust on you and voila!

Floral

Let's equally not let women's rights slip through our fingers and give them away to men.

Our grandmothers and great-grandmothers fought for those rights. They weren't presented to them on a platter.

Can I just point out to the regulars that the AWA visitor basically called me a 'neurotypical atheist'. I mention it so that those of you who know me can chuckle.

Eh well they really should be, let’s not stoop to their level!

When 'being nice' involves denying basic fact, scientific fact and having your hard-won rights subjugated by men - then no, it's not a good baseline.

When "being nice" involves changing the definition of woman, not talking about periods, breastfeeding, pregnancy as women's issues because "that's transphobic" - then, no.

If "being nice" means watching young males declare themselves women, taking women's roles in politics, and then campaigning to silence women and have them expelled from their political parties - then thanks - but I'll pass.

And “be nice to people” isn’t a terrible baseline for human behaviour really, is it. I wish it was a bit more widespread!

It's not the worst baseline but it tends to be a one way street, especially on this subject. People rarely tell men to be nice and men in general sense aren't socialised to worry about being nice all the time.

The people who make the 4chan comparison are, from my experience of twitter, the same ones who threaten women with violence for not accepting TWAW. It's funny that. Or maybe not.

Ironically, 4channers were actually involved in the hacking of Mumsnet a couple of years ago - so they want to shut the women as much as the TRAs. They all find women with opinions and fact-based knowledge so frightening.

And “be nice to people” isn’t a terrible baseline for human behaviour really, is it. I wish it was a bit more widespread!

You have no evidence as to who says that or repeats it! Could be anyone of any gender. “4chan but for mums” would make it harder to obfuscate 🤔.

I’ll take the assumption about my age as the same kind of compliment as getting IDed (what can I say I have a young quirky dress sense on my own time and am also 5’1...)

God it's so frustrating seeing the same bullshit over and over and no goddamn answers except for "you're mean, be nice".

Such is life I suppose.

I did make it clear that those were not my words. Assuming everyone on Mumsnet is a housewife is indeed misogynist and not my view.

Except you happily repeated it though. We are all quite familiar with that meme that has done the rounds on social media for some time.

As you point out it is misogynistic and was created of course by male transactivists (some who id as women).

If you are a young woman (as your posts have suggested) perhaps you can have a think about why you are putting so much energy into propping up men who think so little of women they assume that everyone on a parenting board must be defined as a housewife.

And it’s worth knowing that many of the women on the relationship board, doing hours of dedicated, unpaid feminist labour counselling women to help them to understand that they do not have to accept the way their partners treat them, are also here, giving a resounding WTF to trans ideology

But happy to report than my university (KCL) had some rather more detailed, informed and respectful discussions about such issues.

I haven’t been a student for maaaany years!

And it may surprise you to know, Zoe, that your university tutors are alternating between throwing their hands up in despair and laughing at how silly students like you are.

Not a housewife either. An academic. And none of my colleagues, whether male or female, lecturer or professor, all of them left-wing progressive types bar one, believe that trans women are anything other than male.