Even when they get what they want....

As I said in the other thread about this, it’s not about transphobia it’s about control. No concession re bathroom space will ever be enough for TRAs until there are no cubicle partitions at all. It is precisely about eliminating any and all boundaries women have; making their woman allies complicit in their own boundary elimination is the icing on the cake for them

Absolutely.

You and limekiwi could always try and grey rock us
So each so called "side" just shouts grey rock! or posts a picture of a rock every time we hear a different opinion?
Then you (general you) say you want to hear other opinions really
Not sure how that's supposed to work with rocks everywhere

I don't believe in "souls" but those who do also believe in God and they don't believe that he makes mistakes. The belief in "souls" is a religious belief and entirely incompatible with the notion of "born in the wrong body".

We're all born in the right body. That some people find their bodies distasteful - even abhorrent - doesn't mean they were 'born in the wrong body'.

We have sex-segregated facilities for reasons of privacy and safety. The internet is awash with men who identify as women for reasons such as autogynephilia - they now outnumber the transwomen with gender dysphoria and are the ones pushing most vociferously for the destruction of single sex facilities.

I've being made fun of and invalidated purely because I used the word "soul" ... a picture of a rock has now been shared?

The rock is a specific rock, it's a grey rock. It's not for hurling at you, it means ignore you. Which is tricky because you mentioned two massive triggers for the women here. TWAW and souls.

I'm sorry if it feels like a pile on, it's just what you said really winds us up. It's nonsense we are fed up of hearing.

The souls business makes me feel TRAs should have their own religion, because we have past into that territory.

You and limekiwi could always try grey rocking us!

Actually I'm not sure they do really. They don’t even understand the biology. I mean what about this hrt nonsense. Women's hormones fluctuate all the time. Well not mine because I'm old

I think they believe a woman is someone who is recognised as a woman by everybody else.

😂😂😂 no they don’t! None of them believe that. They know what a woman is.

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However do I believe that their soul is that which they identify as? That it is truly possibly to be born into the wrong gendered body and to have the right to choose to live as your authentic self and to have the choice respected. Yes I do.

Practice your trans religion as you please but women's rights are not subject to your religion. I reject your belief in the trans religion (suspension of all logical arguments)... humans can't change their sex/biology. I think you have made men attempting to perform "woman" your deity - by giving up your critical thinking in light of a misogynistic belief serving only men. This is not unlike aligning with the Abrahamic religions. I respect your right to believe as you wish just as I respect any religious individual's right to believe in the deity(-ies) of their choice but I don't agree. My respect ends where my rights begin.

I shall not bow down to any ideology to the detriment of my rights for any reason. Believe what you want, genuflect to the trans ideology if you wish but your belief is just that and not fact.

Afterlife means nothing to me - this life is everything to me and I won't suspend logic to cater to another's belief.

My faith rests in science - ever evolving, falsifiable, replicable, and logical.

It they won’t be keen to risk having a pesky woman peeing a willy through gaps in the doors.

I think they believe a woman is someone who is recognised as a woman by everybody else. Hence the need for validation - particularly by adult human females. And the tantrums if that need isn't met.

I would have thought that a male person trying to convince people that they are a woman would welcome privacy when peeing. 🤷‍♀️

When someone first remarks that transwomen are real women and people ask well in that case, what is your definition of woman, and the answer is oh grow up, I should imagine 99.9% of the people involved in the thread would take exception to it.

It can hardly come as a surprise.

LimeKiwi disapproves of the women on FWR

No I don't
I don't always agree if that's what you mean? I certainly don't "disapprove" as you put it

limekiwi have you read the Scotsman article linked on another thread about the effect of transwomen in women’s prisons?? Threatening to rape inmates and staff, punching walls, striding round in tight clothing with a visible erection. Anyone who would defend the right of transwomen to be in a female prison clearly does not care about the safety of women and prioritises male bodied people over women
This is the reality of self id. It’s risks the safety of women. Women need sex segregated spaces

I saw something odd on twitter recently - but I don't know where, sorry. Someone said they'd been unable to find any news stories about transwomen being attacked in men's toilets, but oddly they'd found two stories (I think) of transwomen being attacked in women's toilets.

The suggestion was that transwomen would actually be safer using men's loos.

Does anybody know the facts behind this?

God, I hope there’s no such thing as a gendered soul. I’d hate to think this bollocks is going to follow us into the next life. I was praying for blissful oblivion.

LimeKiwi just likes finger wagging. It's tedious and designed to waste time, and obscure that no actual question gets answered.

You just need to know that LimeKiwi disapproves of the women on FWR.

It's not exactly a discussion is it?

Of course it’s a discussion. One person says something. Someone else asks them for an explanation/more details or whatever. Someone else says something.

The fact that none of the VERY basic questions were answered is not our fault.

Erm...... transwomen are more likely to be sex offenders.

General male prison population - 18% sex offenders
(known) Transwomen prison population - 41% sex offenders

I suspect the number of paraphiliacs far outweighs those with genuine gender dysphoria, so the above figure is not suprising.

With rocks and tissues etc as soon as somebody says something else?

Let's be honest, it's a message board, it's not like people are butting in and talking over others.