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BBC Gaslighting again...

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NeurotrashWarrior · 30/05/2019 12:08

'I didn't understand what transgender was' www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-48453164

Look at the film.

Wife talks about mourning.

Transed partner talks at length about how they now do everything together and are so close.

There's more I'd add but I don't want to be deleted.

I'm glad they appear to be very happy; I feel terribly sad for the wife.

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Chiochan · 30/05/2019 23:38

Yup, think the BBC has some emotional safeguarding issues that will really look bad in times to come.
They just dont learn do they.

Marilla27 · 30/05/2019 23:10

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LizzieSiddal · 30/05/2019 22:49

The BBC’s message is-

You too can have a happy, close family, if your dad becomes your mum. And it’s all perfectly normal.

The worst bit for me was the mother saying when he came out, it was like a bereavement, but a couple of days later, she was ok! That is not normal or healthy.

This film is minimising the heartbreak, confusion and trauma and is totally inappropriate from the BBC.

owlonabike · 30/05/2019 22:16

Dear god, the mother looks haunted. And how does Charlotte have the utter gall to say that family life is much better now , in front of the woman who took Charlotte as a partner in good faith and who bore Charlotte’s children? How can Charlotte just dismiss that shared history? I am so bloody angry at the sheer insensitivity and entitlement.

Mxyzptlk · 30/05/2019 17:46

Agnieszka's body language and facial expressions (when Charlotte is talking) betray that family life is not how they are presenting it to the BBC film crew.
Definitely Sad

the children have taken on a protective role
Or Charlotte has told them that 24hr togetherness is needed to keep Charlotte happy.

Outanabout · 30/05/2019 17:22

Biology - that hadn't occurred to me, but I think you're right. The family is Charlotte's safety blanket when they go out. What happens when Charlotte goes to work? How do they manage 24/7 togetherness? My heart breaks for the wife, trying to keep up the pretence that everything is fine.

OrchidInTheSun · 30/05/2019 17:20

That is not a happy family. That's a family pretending t be happy to pander to a narcissist

BiologyNotBigotry · 30/05/2019 17:08

When one of the DC was talking about Charlotte not wanting to go out after hearing comments I wondered if that was the reason they did so much together - the children have taken on a protective role & don't want to leave Charlotte in case anyone says anything that might upset them & result in Charlotte moping around the house making everything miserable. Anything to keep Charlotte happy.

Of course it seems "normal" to the DC after a few years. "Normal" is just the status quo that someone's got used to, that doesn't make it a healthy environment.

I really felt for the mum - she looked like she wanted to say something while Charlotte was wittering on about their super fun day trips but Charlotte just kept on talking, seemingly oblivious. The mum just looked worn down.

TheBitterBoy · 30/05/2019 16:58

It feels like the BBC news website has something trans related every few days at the moment. I just roll my eyes, but I do wonder what the rest of the less aware general population make of it.

CarolDanvers · 30/05/2019 16:54

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HollowTalk · 30/05/2019 16:46

Nobody really asks the wife how she feels - it's not just as though the man she married has died, it's that she has to pretend he is a woman and accept he wants 99% of the attention forever more.

LikeothersIamjustme · 30/05/2019 16:43

*It made me think that Charlotte didn't do anything with the family beforehand, given it's better now.

I feel so sorry for the children.*

Agreed. It appears that Charlotte only cares about Charlotte. Appears to be a running theme of those former males.

HollowTalk · 30/05/2019 16:33

It made me think that Charlotte didn't do anything with the family beforehand, given it's better now.

I feel so sorry for the children.

Outanabout · 30/05/2019 16:02

The wife looked like she was struggling not to cry at one stage. It's all about Charlotte, isn't it? The children feeling sorry for and defending the parent. I hope the family is as happy as they appear on the surface, but it seems quite exploitative to make a programme about them. How can the children say anything but how happy they are? They must be under pressure from outside all the time, making them feel defensive, if what they say is true about remarks being made at/about Charlotte.

LikeothersIamjustme · 30/05/2019 15:56

Charlotte comes across as a complete coxk. That poor wife, I just wanted to give her a hug, she looks so dejected and broken.

beenandgoneandbackagain · 30/05/2019 15:44

Ugh - the side eye given when the wife talks about mourning for a person who was lost.

It's female socialisation and the desire to keep the family unit together whatever the personal cost absolutely personified.

Outanabout · 30/05/2019 15:32

24/7 togetherness in case other opinions might be heard

kaldefotter · 30/05/2019 15:21

I think Agnieszka's body language and facial expressions (when Charlotte is talking) betray that family life is not how they are presenting it to the BBC film crew.

If only someone could reassure Agnieszka that she doesn't need to live like that.

FermatsTheorem · 30/05/2019 15:20

Yup, the joined at the hip, and the sofa jump bit had me thinking "more red flags than a communist party convention."

But worst of all - watch the wife's face carefully while her former husband speaks to camera - it's heartbreaking. If ever a woman needed the trans widows thread...

nauticant · 30/05/2019 15:09

Yes, that sounded like a distancing mechanism.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 30/05/2019 15:04

I don't think you need to transition to have a close family unit or to go out and have adventures. Hmm

What really struck out for me though is the way they refer to "Charlotte" it sounds (to me), like they are referring to a third party or concept rather than a parent.

FloralBunting · 30/05/2019 14:59

Uh-huh.

Nothing I can type about that which wouldn't be deleted.

I shall just leave it at 'self absorbed narc' and hope his family find a way to access helpful counselling at some point.

Justhadathought · 30/05/2019 14:49

It's like they are talking about their special needs little sister.

Justhadathought · 30/05/2019 14:47

All I can say is how utterly self-centred.......

And it just makes me realise even further how nonsensical this whole business is. How do you become a totally different person? You can't and you don't. What has really changed, apart from the assumption of opposite sex clothing and dress? It just seems to me to be an extended role play.

The talk of all being"just one unit" now that the father has 'transitioned'..what where they before? And is that excessive, new found closeness just a kind of trauma reaction? The son seems utterly bewildered.

NeurotrashWarrior · 30/05/2019 14:28

Oh the sofa surf jump thing. Freud would have a field day.

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