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BBC Gaslighting again...

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NeurotrashWarrior · 30/05/2019 12:08

'I didn't understand what transgender was' www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-48453164

Look at the film.

Wife talks about mourning.

Transed partner talks at length about how they now do everything together and are so close.

There's more I'd add but I don't want to be deleted.

I'm glad they appear to be very happy; I feel terribly sad for the wife.

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OrchidInTheSun · 01/06/2019 18:46

I watched it with the sound off. I recommend it because you really focus on how people are saying things rather than the words they are speaking.

Agnieska definitely needs a link to the transwidows thread. Poor woman looks broken :(

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 01/06/2019 18:34

All the family seemed to be trying to avoid being filmed apart from Charlotte. Hanging back, looking down, hats over their faces. But sadly I doubt the BBC sees this for what it is and just thinks it’s fantastic.

Someone send Agneiska (sorry cannot spell) a link to the trans widows threads please!

KittensinaBlender · 01/06/2019 18:01

Weird to have him in the VT but not to introduce him.

The whole thing was so contrived. The teenage daughter picking out outfits with her “mum”- bleugh. The rollerblading, which I have no problem with an adult doing. In fact we went biking round the park the other day and saw a family out, the kids and mum were in Banana bikes and the dad and older teen lad were on rollarblades - looked like fun... and just average “stuff parents do with their kids”, it was the fact that the mum was carrying the shoes and videoing that bothered me in the VT. New shiny Charlotte gets to recreate her youth whilst mum gets to do the wife work as per.

I also found the kids calling their parent “Charlotte” uncomfortable because clearly “dad” is now verboten but they can’t bring themselves to swallow the dissonance of calling them mum.

Outanabout · 01/06/2019 16:37

He didn't look happy IIRC

CircleofWillis · 01/06/2019 16:31

Do you think the girl didn't introduce the older brother as he wasn't 100% committed to taking part in the piece?

Outanabout · 31/05/2019 15:25

Workingitout - I wondered if the camera person or editor saw exactly what was going on? Hard to avoid seeing how the wife's face was working in distress when the camera focused on her at certain times.

FloralBunting · 31/05/2019 15:25

See, I know what it's like to have a family where a parent goes through a massive confidence breakdown in full view of the kids, and subsequently finds a coping mechanism. Those voiceovers from the kids are pregnant with all the desperation they have to not have 'Charlotte' disappear down a spiral again. This 'normal' that they are pretending to enjoy, of watching their father prance about being inspirational and positive, looks like it's marginally better than living with the more overtly negative version.

But let's not anyone pretend that there are any real pluses to this scenario. The wife is clearly swallowing back tears at one point, and despite the phrases the kids are saying, there is no corresponding conviction in their faces.

One of the worst things I've seen for a long time, and I'm only commenting again because someone sent it to me so I watched it again and it all oozed out of the screen again.

Outanabout · 31/05/2019 15:21

It must be distressing to transition, then find that instead of everyone thinking you're a beautiful woman, strangers notice immediately that you're male, and are unkind. I wonder how Charlotte envisioned the future when planning the grand adventure, if wife and children figured as large as they do now in their shielding role.

Justhadathought · 31/05/2019 14:53

There's nothing wrong with the roller blading - go to Chicago (and other such cities) and it's not unusual to see adults roller blading by the lake but they are much better at it

I'm sure; but in this case it is just 'Charlotte' who is doing the roller-blading while the children look on in indulgent fashion.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 31/05/2019 13:03

Cripes that is a terrible and joyless video. The difference between the aspirational words and the flatness and misery of their faces...was no editor actually looking at these people? I felt like I was seeing coercive control in action.

OldCrone · 31/05/2019 11:53

My previous post was deleted.

I just got a post reinstated by reporting it and asking why it was deleted. They had another look at it and decided it was OK after all. I nearly always ask them why when they delete my posts - if I don't know what rule I've broken I can't avoid doing it again. And sometimes they've just been too over-enthusiastic with the delete button and it goes back up.

CarolDanvers · 31/05/2019 11:39

My previous post was deleted. I wasn't offensive imvho I just said that it didn't look like Charlotte, who is supposedly now "Mum" too was picking up any of the Wife Work. Looks to me like Charlotte spends a lot of time coming up with fun stuff, while the actual Mum - Agnieszka does all the work to support the "fun".

Intolerable situation. They all appear to be slaves to Charlottes whims.

Years ago when I kind of supported, though didn't believe TWAW!!! I remember wondering to myself how any child/wife could learn to deal with their Dad/husband "becoming a woman" because I knew it wasn't something I could ever accept. I squashed those thoughts down as being "wrong" but I watch that video and see exactly the horror of finding yourself in that situation, to have your whole life turned upside down so publicly on the whim of one member of the family, and these days being socially forced to accept it or be labelled a hater or transphobic. This is a living nightmare for the wives and families being forced to accept it.

beenandgoneandbackagain · 31/05/2019 11:30

What's not to like if you're a narcissist?

Plenty of those at the BBC Grin

OldCrone · 31/05/2019 11:18

She is not sure how or why this explosion in people identifying as trans has happened

Probably because it makes straight men into the 'most vulnerable' people on the planet, so we all have to accommodate their needs and wants. And as well as vulnerable and persecuted, they're also brave and stunning. What's not to like if you're a narcissist?

JamB4cream · 31/05/2019 11:14

Agnieszka looks on the brink of tears during that film, especially on the sofa interview around 1.45, she looks haunted, how could the film maker not see that? Or did they see that and just not care?

Flowers Agnieszka

beenandgoneandbackagain · 31/05/2019 11:13

I saw somewhere that about 450 members of BBC’s workforce are transwomen (for less than 1% of the population, surely this is high? Not sure). It didn’t come across as impartial at all.

A friend of mine worked at the BBC a few years ago (she left 4 years ago). Her role involved her travelling throughout England, and spending a great deal of time at Broadcasting House, so she knew a lot of staff there. There were no transgender people working there at the time, at least not visibly transgender, though there were a lot of lesbians and gay men, and also a few bi people. It is the kind of environment where if someone was transgender it would definitely have been accepted.

She is not sure how or why this explosion in people identifying as trans has happened, and yes, it is disproportionate to the population as a whole, but would explain the relentless number of "trans is harmless and fun" items appearing almost daily on their website.

Infiltration.

floraloctopus · 31/05/2019 11:03

There's nothing wrong with the roller blading - go to Chicago (and other such cities) and it's not unusual to see adults roller blading by the lake but they are much better at it

Justhadathought · 31/05/2019 10:42

Charlotte does not present as a responsible parent, but as a child/teenager. Jumping on the sofa, roller blading along the promenade.......This is not normal at all.

Fedupwithchemist · 31/05/2019 04:28

“Amazing female”

WTF

Can the world get any madder?

floraloctopus · 31/05/2019 03:40

It's very charlotte lived happily ever after and sod everybody else isn't it ?

2BthatUnnoticed · 31/05/2019 03:18

I saw somewhere that about 450 members of BBC’s workforce are transwomen (for less than 1% of the population, surely this is high? Not sure). It didn’t come across as impartial at all.

KittensinaBlender · 31/05/2019 01:47

I like the way bog standard parenting has been rebranded as “an adventure”.

Yet again a male gets feted for basic parenting. Spending time with your kids does not make you stunning and brave even when you do it with some lippy on. Hmm

KittensinaBlender · 31/05/2019 01:30

‘The family has become more one unit instead of five individuals”

Right!

Well other people often are bit parts in the drama of a narcs life.

thegreatcrestednewt · 30/05/2019 23:52

God, did you see Charlotte’s side eye and expression when poor Agnieska was talking about HER feelings? Charlotte doesn’t give the tiniest fuck.

thegreatcrestednewt · 30/05/2019 23:50

‘The family has become more one unit instead of five individuals - really??

And all that was required for this was for dad to become charlotte?? Wtf??

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