BBC Gaslighting again...

I've just seen this on Facebook and one of the comments is from a young girl who was in the same situation. She said that the hardest thing is that she can't mourn her father's disappearance. She isn't allowed to mourn him because now, it's all about the trans person and they have to be made happy.
I agree with the comments here, the wife is barely holding it together. Why and for what reason has this ideology become so mainstream?
Who is pushing this agenda? Because someone somewhere is pushing the lie that Human beings can change sex.

I watched the cbeebies one on my phone - am I imagining it, or has it been edited to remove some of the wider shots of both parents so that the reactions can't be seen so clearly?

I agree, referring to their "mum" as 'charlotte' is so weird and distancing! And the side-eye when the mum touched on the subject of mourning, hastily covered up by 'we have fun alllll the time'

So irritating that make up = woman

Still thinking about this

Poor May, living up to her female socialisation, appeasing her father, trying to pretend everything is fine and to hold her family together

I feel so sad for her

I think I'll save my money.
Not sure how 59 pages could ever count as a book but if the video is anything to go by I suspect 5 pages would be too much to bear.

I hope those children are able to find fulfilling and happy lives beyond the intense, 24/7, non-stop fun that Charlotte has decided they must all have at all times. And I hope Agnieszka is, at some point, allowed to grieve for the loss of her husband.

Charlotte's autobiography is available at Amazon. www.amazon.co.uk/Whole-Shenanigans-Charlottes-Story-ebook/dp/B071VXWR2T?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

that is not a happy family. as a pp said, watching with the sound off it was apparent that 'the mum' (who doesn't ever seem to be introduced by name) couldn't stop rolling her eyes. and the elder brother is not happy about the situation AT ALL.

tone deaf piece by the BBC - what are they thinking of?

Actually I've realised I said photo but it's a painting - but anyway.

Also its not as if there haven't been thousands of men who have liked pretty fabric/make-up and run with it. Fashion designers, theatre actors, goths, fabric merchants, stylists, and of course those men like Grayson Perry and Jonathan van Ness, who just say fuck it I'll wear this because I like it. And somehow have managed to reconcile that with still being a man. Because it's not hard - you just have to not be a narrow-minded sexist.

If someone truly feels dysmorphic and that they are the wrong sex, I'm sorry for them, it must be distressing. But if they feel like that because they like make-up, or anything else supposedly "gendered" when it actually isn't, I just feel so frustrated and annoyed.

I mean oh look I just put a shelf up, oh yeah I must be a man! Grrr

he is posing for a photo and becomes entranced with the pretty silk fabric. THAT DOESN"T MAKE YOU A WOMAN FFS it means you like the fabric!

It's a serious thread, really, but I must say this made me laugh and it's an excellent point.

The most traction I get when discussing this, sidestepping all the stupid sleight of hand with chromosomes etc. is when a male trans person describes what makes them 'a woman' and it's always something that is actually really arbitrary. That bit in the Danish Girl which is presented as such an epiphany for Eddie Redmayne's character is just a man enjoying soft fabric against his skin. Why would that have anything to do with his sex?

I know I am so sick of that sexist make-up crap. NONE of make-up, dresses, painted nails, long hair etc are exclusive to women and they should be becoming more acceptable for everyone to wear, not less. Why has society conveniently forgotten the 80s, not to mention the restoration, ancient Egypt and countless other examples.

I want to scream every time I hear this bollocks that some bloke is attracted to wearing make-up or a dress so that is somehow evidence that he's really a woman. Gah!

It fecking pissed me off in the trailer for the Danish Girl as well (didn't see the whole film) where he is posing for a photo and becomes entranced with the pretty silk fabric. THAT DOESN"T MAKE YOU A WOMAN FFS it means you like the fabric!

I watched with sound off, subtitles only. Interesting that there is a comment in there like “it’s not normal for guys to have makeup up”. But why not? When I was a teenager tons of boys and men - famous and regular men alike - were experimenting with makeup. Wearing makeup =/ woman and woman =/ wearing makeup.

Watching that video the sense I got was a family catering to “Charlotte’s” delusions of a fun happy family 24/7 because living with him when he was moping around the house and sulking was so miserable they don’t want to go back to that.

There is none of the usual body language when people agree with what another person is saying. Eye contact, nodding along and making agreeing noises. No mobility of face muscles at all.

Involved. Bloody autocorrect

OrchidInTheSun - that and leaving in the sideways eye and the wife's visible distress makes me wonder if there wasn't someone GC in loved with making the programme, who left a trail of breadcrumbs. That, or the whole production crew were completely oblivious to the pain, and the control being exercised.

The video made me think of cases of coercive control where the father has had such tight control of the family and when they finally try to break free, there are terrible consequences. I just hope we never see this family in the news again.

Charlotte flinging their entire body weight onto their wife and children in a pre-rehearsed move shocks me every time I watch it. You can see them all bracing themselves.

Emotionally fragile is a nice way to phrase it.

This was very sad to watch, the kids and wife have been made to feel emotionally responsible for maintaining one of the parents happiness and stopping their emotional meltdowns - which is not their responsibility to do and is an emotionally abusive way to have to live always walking on eggshells. The wife’s and kid’s own emotional needs didn’t even figure.

The kids and wife are shielding the emotionally fragile member of the family from wider society 24/7. I hope they can all get therapy to get some support and hope that things turn out ok for them.

That poor woman just looked so sad. Even when she smiled. Charlotte just looked so self satisfied that Charlotte had control of the entire famiy. I hope that woman and kids break free.

I agree with every single comment on this thread. Took an instant scunner to Charlotte. Gave out creepy vibes to me.

Surely what you want for your children is for them to be individuals 😣😥

When I was a teenager my hair would have stood on end at the thought of being 'a unit' with the rest of my family. I wanted to be off with my own friends, not hanging out with my parents. All that bullshit about "before we were five individuals, now we're one unit!". Yeah, because everyone has to kow tow to Charlotte's stunning new identity and pretend it's all wonderful.

I tee felt really sorry for the wife who has obviously had a shit time (and still is) but has been told by Charlotte that it's all hunky dory, and by society too in such a way that if she now left because of how unhappy it's making her, she'd be branded transphobic. However, I hope she knows she still can if she wants.

The most sickening thing for me was how Charlotte seems to think spending time with your kids is something they can do because they're now a woman. How fucking sexist is that? What did he do before? How the fuck must the wife feel if he wasn't very involved and now "Charlotte" is because make-up and dresses mean you can go shopping and do stuff with your DC.

However if you would like a wee bit more parity, Radio 4 seems slightly better at this (probably get beaten round the head with more letters from feminists). They had a transwoman talking about their experience and then gave equal time to a separate piece from the wife who didn't pull any punches as I recall.

Oh that sideways eye at her when she was talking on the sofa. She went off script, obviously.